Forensics Failure in Casey Anthony Case?
Did 'junk science' lead to acquittal?
- Duration 9:18
- Date Jul 11, 2011
Did 'junk science' lead to acquittal?
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Last or -- how many times.
Was that site.
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Slash -- slash chloroform.
And how many times does it show that that what sectors this -- -- Now I'd like to show you State's evidence 166.
What is this item.
This item is the report from cash back.
And the report from key aspects shows that it was visited how many times before.
So there's a difference between the two -- this or not that is correct.
What was -- initial reaction when you heard the verdict.
Well I'm never surprised that jury verdicts the verdict could have gone either way there was enough evidence.
To infer that she may have killed the -- BB.
The duct tape.
You have to draw inferences but -- -- -- -- -- gaps in the evidence from which are reasonable jury could conclude that there was a reasonable doubt juries are not computers.
You can't predict the outcome.
Just by quantifying the evidence that's the American system.
As professor Dershowitz I yesterday and Governor Huckabee -- show.
Utility computer discrepancy the computer search discrepancy the state saying they -- 84 searches.
Jose -- coming up with the other report that that it was only one search and lasted three minutes.
But also you had the smell evidence you had other forensic type evidence that -- called.
And the jury may have believed him was it really.
In the words of the defense counsel junk science before our panel debates.
-- -- -- the jurors in the Casey Anthony murder trial say prosecutors did not match the scientific evidence.
To the crime that's exactly what forensics experts doctor Michael Baden and Larry -- Lipsky told us weeks ago.
They couldn't find the cause of death.
Absolutely I think when you look at the evidence and takeaways the anger and emotion and hostility that could have tainted the jury.
I just looking at the evidence they made the right decision chloroform.
Duct tape as murder weapons.
I've never used before.
To kill a child in this country handed a cold bones case with neither DNA fingerprints eyewitnesses -- -- work confession from Casey Anthony -- -- Florida prosecutors pulled out all the stops.
To buttress their circumstantial case.
Using novel and controversial science.
And an orthodox expert testimony.
They'll ask you to see things that aren't there.
And -- asking you to imagine fictional science.
It's a fantasy of forensics based on the location of the body.
The smell of death and Casey Anthony's car and her atrocious behavior after her daughter disappeared.
Orange County medical examiner doctor Jan -- Bagley and determined Casey Anthony's death.
Do you have an opinion adds to the manner of death in this case yes.
What is that opinion.
Homicide a second autopsy conducted by famed forensic pathologist doctor Warner spitz.
Determined Caylee Anthony's body had been moved he came to that conclusion by using a technique television's doctor G did not.
Did not opening of this -- showed me that much in -- case like this.
What is what they had to look for in any which gathered tonight buddy if not their -- What -- -- -- mistakes were made in the -- termination.
Every murder autopsy that is opened up -- like what the prosecution.
Said -- should have known was.
-- valid science or junk science and yet it.
The a judge to let it in.
To prove Caylee is broken body was stored in -- trunk of her mother's car.
Prosecutors called doctor.
In the smell of death.
The -- was extremely overwhelmingly small.
And now I was I was shocked that out little -- you can can Obama throws and did you immediately recognize the odor that was emanating from.
The piece of carpet and can't.
And what you recognize it over to -- that it was.
Let out recognizes human becomes its.
The chiefs smell.
May make that we only use half when he -- And doctor costs you claim -- so controversial figure well he -- -- a good researcher.
But he presented evidence that has no.
Forensic validity and what about the fact that no DNA was found.
And over no human tissue of any -- all that update what are.
Are nothing that I could identify achievement should doctor you pointed out when we spoke few weeks ago that the duct tape this a picture of it.
Did not have any DNA.
Evidence -- didn't have any DNA but it did have fibers on it clothing fibers.
Which were never examined by the FBI -- the prosecuted to see -- the fibers came from.
Insofar as the child being suffocated with a never before used combination of chloroform and duct tape.
Did the prosecution.
Overreached by asserting their theory was fact juror number -- said we got the accidental drowning in the pool we couldn't get the chloroform and the duct tape how could do.
Com to a guilty decision.
When you don't know how the child died you don't know where the child died you don't know when that child died this -- is asking for a -- much.
Stay was asking for too much he is great you know just stick -- -- one.
We have been Somalia.
Where over the guy -- -- -- brains were -- and that we Seymour did -- -- Iraq Afghanistan.
You know you and I guess I'll never forget the smell in -- it never forget the smell of death but -- I get I don't know the difference in the smell all but dead cow and the smell of a dead dead dead person I think that -- melting.
Is is an area of science that may be will -- and eventually be credible.
You know as as Kimberly says even DNA had its first try.
But I think it's pretty sketchy to introduce -- he had just my opinion but but I don't answer -- that unanswered of course.
We've all pondered the facts and circumstances in this case do you have a theory I do have a theory my theory is that.
Casey Anthony when she left her house on June 16 2008.
Possibly -- off.
Shopping left her car left her child in the car air conditioning on and the car -- at a gas.
94 degrees within fifteen minutes inside of that cars a 145.
Degrees child gets heat stroke and a 105 is dead.
A 170 degrees and a 107 degrees the very possible that her child died.
Sitting in the back and that wouldn't be the -- the car -- that's gonna make so much more sense than duct tape and chloroform.
But -- -- the let me go back on the other point to report.
On the point dubbed the smell evidence.
As a defense counsel do you fear the rush.
To certain forensics or isn't it inevitable that as technology evolves this is why.
Defense attorneys will be confronting and this is -- prosecutors will be a required almost why -- juries to present.
Look DNA has a match and everybody has -- DNA match to almost a certain probability that -- you.
The fact that there's -- smell in the car it's completely subjective and you can't tell me whether it's the smell of a dead -- Garbage or human there's no way you can do that the jury wants to see something they want to feel that they want to understand that they can hold the DNA results and compare them.
You're asking the jury to find on -- subjective -- I don't think this science as Jose called it junk science will ever be widely accepted I understand DNA started off like this but this is something purely subjective and nothing can never be.
So Lester gonna -- gonna -- a bottle the smell.
You're not gonna be able to get a jury to -- -- in my opinion.
Think that it's will be difficult but I mean obviously is as peer review and things like that happen that did not happen with the smell of events I think that it will be a time.
We -- deal with it -- it can be objectively quantify it it will be widely -- much more widely accepted than it is now but it was way too early but I understand that desperate what do -- was -- There's no way to -- object make -- objective -- computer it's purely subjective because you're asking someone to use -- knows what it all under -- lines or whatever the hell was -- guy anyway let let me put that it -- put that aside it the fact that.
It and so.
Airlines are bad -- -- I'll tell you why because they didn't even need to specify a cause of death but I think that how many what do I get what you're saying I wouldn't have done you don't need to get coming up next.