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Flacco when -- -- both the idea that you.
-- -- go to like everyone doesn't a big animal lover but I'm also a big believer in rehabilitation.
You did your time and now you're working with Wayne and that's a pretty good -- not to mention Tony Dungy who's a good front of the program.
Yes it is I've been in great company since.
-- -- -- prison though isn't.
You know it's been great working relationship will weigh in and where we've been able to accomplish and is gratifying to see -- you know will make -- indifference then and -- communities all over the world help from the masses of people.
Why even Washington now.
Floor here to lobby Greta you know Mike line have been visiting a lot of cities and seen a lot of kids and young men especially -- at risk communities because there's been a real surge.
In dog fighting in these -- communities we called street fighting kids -- square -- pit bulls -- back alleys or abandoned buildings or even on the street.
And we think that prevention work is really important but we also need to have policies that deter this activity and also.
Frankly you know bring -- -- justice when they knowingly violate the law and engage in this cruelty to animals.
So Mike and I were up on the hill today meeting lawmakers and urging them to adopt.
New crimes for being a spectator.
For bringing a child to a dog for a -- -- Greta measures people bring a little kid a seven or eight or ten year old kid apparent.
To watch dogs fighting guerrilla troops -- fighting.
In in your new book and the bond and actually it's an awful lot I didn't realize -- -- -- even first got involved -- dog fighting age eight.
I didn't even heard of until actually your case.
Yes ma'am in the community I grew up in there was -- there was something there.
You know I was involved in -- post who a lot of older guys exposed.
Myself and other disorders so.
-- is something that we learned do and then know whether it was right or wrong -- Involved in.
Never get any type of indication whether it was the right thing wrong thing to do.
You guys -- like how likely.
-- but I'm in -- based on their respective history I guess it with you read the book you understand that he met him first at present.
We didn't do know Mike reached out through some his people said he wanted to do some anti don't gonna work with -- -- that it is -- the most developed programs novel -- lawmaking side but also on the prevention side.
Well let's say -- and Mike knows this is it was with a great deal -- conflict that one out there because you know our community and constituency.
Was very down of course on on -- -- and what he did understandably so.
But I thought to myself you know what do we about the human side and they were about change for about not treating people in some static position and having them indefinitely in that place we want people will be better we want the moving along toward a better place.
The other thing is the biggest problem we've been facing a dog fighting is this urban based on funny I mean it used to be a rural white.
Phenomenon and then in the cities it really became prevalent.
I thought to myself if Mike was sincere and he was really -- -- boots on the ground who better to reach these young kids then Michael Vick.
And much to his credit it's been two years that he and I have known each other.
We sold in more than 101000 kids one on one you know in little groups of larger groups and now we're trying to change the atmosphere it's of the issue and try to change a -- You know its interest in the -- Michael and Wayne writes at one point that day you love animals there.
And it's really hard and we've become sort of the poster child for anything but loving and -- Pat how do you sell someone you love analyst to have -- convinced -- an analyst.
I understand is this a direct conflict.
And that -- -- saying over and over again.
Something.
-- has had had to do with over and over again because.
I know my love my past -- was where terrorists were so war.
You know get involved there why.
Just so.
You know just and I hate to use it as an excuse work.
And I know -- if you nobody's supposed to do better and back announcer says there's been no I didn't think -- -- -- -- -- give you -- we'll give.
-- behind it.
So you'll enjoy me I didn't mean it than we generally good too graphic -- -- like -- -- you've done your time in the and there are feeling even -- Wainwright suspects me of torturing dogs holding them under water and dying to me and the -- to me it's you know it's unthinkable.
Yeah how how do you do that.
Is itself and then when you could've been analyzed you mean when you.
You know being proactive -- involved in that weren't about what people think -- what's right.
You know you just you just react he's going to and you know -- as you can do everything and consciousness and but you -- just don't feel worthless to struggle it was tough you know letters to those it was tough but.
You know is.
You know my thing right now is -- -- making change and that's the reason since they have.
Going I think that's the reason we have such a great relationship because I'm trying to help more animals not hurt and I think that's what it's all about and the reason.
You know who appointed you trying to keep kids from going and doing the same thing going and the same going down the same path.
And you know make -- -- Didn't -- -- hundred you don't have to do this right this is this isn't -- condition of any parole or probation right now this is totally because Michael Vick wants to do it.
That's where I get paid first homer total volunteer.
So run through -- and then when no way Carlos.
Whenever there's something that's true right we can do our resolve.
You know we talk about it and then make you have to.
-- good you know I I've been involved with this issue don't open and cock fighting for a long time and well before Michael vick's case came -- life.
We knew this was an epidemic which is part of the reason why.
-- we wanted to see the you know justice served in Mike's case with his co defendants and him.
We also knew that it was much more than about Michael Vick.
And it was -- is one of tens of thousands of people tens of thousands got involved in this company as hundreds of thousands of people.
I guess so you know what I really give me credit for us and no -- making -- do this.
It's not condition you're not getting paid for and like I said I say I really do usually when someone has done something.
And has been punished you know we need to put it behind ourselves we need to move on which is actually -- plan C play football play we're not I had seen back on the field.
Thanking -- a lot of things have happened over the last two years I -- go have to first and foremost.
This does give my life back on track.
And I have an obvious truth and make amends in and trying to do things away when my thing that was trying to help others trying to.
Couple masses of people and kids.
And deter them from going and the same path for fighting -- -- -- -- -- and doing something with that term is going be meaningful.
-- -- -- Those tough row recommended on anybody.
The first -- you -- -- though is that you know they've done -- -- were present some people are like no big stars big celebrities we have big celebrity walking in the present.
I do offers sixty days a solitary -- -- -- -- I didn't -- -- to sixty -- and -- is that.
Those self I don't know if you -- -- -- was my mom Marxist is and my fiance and people who.
You're -- kid -- the most work.
It definitely made me a stronger person.
Why we never imagined that as -- like -- sitting alone for sixty minutes.
People don't realize is that you know you really is tougher to be in solitary than -- -- in the general population.
And because you have to you have to found ways to make you see it's and those -- the things that's.
The key is out there in the world.
You don't wanna be put in that position because everybody.
You can't handle certain things and constant think I went through what I went through for a reason.
And that's the reason I'm trying to make an impact in the cumulative around the world.
You know globally it's -- nationally and you guys think.
You know everything have -- Or reason he has in seeing the you know you're at the top big game I -- who look like -- -- Donna Atlanta.
Make and millions and millions of dollars and -- Sunday hit the skids.
Big time.
And -- come back.
Did would be you know.
I think everything and I went through.
In.
Carol sale of those were deserving players like -- -- sale of Carlin known that I should I would've done better.
And at the pinnacle of my career where I was sick house -- -- -- known better.
You know so things happen for a reason I want -- -- have to go through what I went through.
To give back to this point I have so -- -- not a mean person because I might have a say you talk -- Probably four -- -- people who know we don't -- you not a mean person so people we say we're surprised that Michael Vick was doing this everybody.
They include myself and as Wesley were arrested and they have me.
I don't know -- -- -- step in and and and I just -- have started to do so.
To say -- walk away from it and our -- blame nobody else to use my friends as an excuse because.
Was it.
Wrong man I mean -- -- and then just didn't.
Make the right one at that time and you know kind of became proud of them.
You -- it it's a huge.
Kress I think my perfect that you're sitting next to him and Tony Dungy coach dungy has said -- don't find things about you.
And -- you got back up on the horse on the team it's a huge credit but I I -- when you first met him.
You are skeptical.
Well I was I had some skepticism.
At some level and frankly in that I'm on you know how mind going to do this -- in -- world and even whether it was the right thing tactically and strategically for a cause.
And advancing the ideals of -- society -- Hello personally we could hear me -- big -- -- -- besides you know how sure he could be helpful to the organization but they -- how much you.
Well Michael Vick and his sister -- might.
Mike is not the first person that I've known involved and don't put it company.
I mean I've been around it for a long time because we run into people involved in those enterprises.
The question for me was.
Not -- I needed to feel like Mike was going to be on the path to change -- that I actually felt like.
His professional interest.
You know really ran a directional wells as well also is almost an insurance policy may I knew -- money needed to get back.
In this world he had to really do the right thing.
And then I talked to him that life can -- we -- to leavenworth and I want to his home.
In in Hampton roads and we we chatted for hours.
About this in his background and you know for all sinners when it comes -- as what -- read about in the book.
We've got factory farming in America people were fur coats were getting dogs from puppy mills.
Mean nobody not me not anybody else is free of this problem of being today animals all time.
I guess so his torturous front page and we know this is about people -- animals and is horrible stories about the -- -- skin under whenever isn't we don't we don't hear about it it's not notice that hero it's very down the road you know I mean -- We have someone else take -- food for us you know those animals endure great misery on the factory farms.
Someone kills those -- refer.
He knows very removed from -- I think people got upset what might rightly so because it was intimate I mean he was president he was physically involved in the enterprise -- That's what a lot of people but at the same time that its rightful that we take a look at dog fighting and criticizes.
And call for people involved to be punished and hopefully we prevent it we've got to look at her own conduct.
I mean we're all wrapped up with the use of animals in our society.
I mean factory farming is a huge -- problem ten billion animals raised for food in America ten billion.
Most of them raised on these industrial confinement facilities of country -- really can't even -- around.
Killing annals refer I mean we have -- -- we have natural fiber -- and -- we can wear.
We get up all the style we want we can have all the functionality.
Without victimizing thirty or forty -- for their skins so I see this issue in a broader sense than I even saw when I talk to Mike.
I -- this was a larger opportunity to talk to American public about these issues.
When you're in prison.
Two Dawson -- I think I like I got.
I don't do something about myself I got a chance to boot up at -- was at one particular time.
Those on numerous occasions where I sit there -- so.
You have to make -- you and it's a good laugh from me reflect on that insisted.
You know think about what I needed to move forward and I say how economic change but I didn't have a starting point and I didn't know the results who -- -- social special interest groups and understand -- ASPCA in the groups and then you know.
Straight up -- and humane society in the cause of and would be still for an analyst was static about and learn to start those organizations try to be a part of -- Indoors so I was able to make the -- sex and made the connections -- Bravely.
-- came on to visit them and you know wasn't visas -- in the world.
-- what we -- expecting.
-- -- Pretty much expect and ended.
You know not to go to -- that I wanted to go on me obviously I moved his -- in his beliefs and you know certain values that.
Didn't necessarily stand up for and you know I wasn't -- that.
So I knew it was going to be situation where I was -- human brain picked.
And he wanted to know how sincere and remorseful -- -- really was and how.
You know that I want to work with the human society and if I was really going door from the from the heart.
And that's what's -- the -- from -- do it and and it was great.
Easy -- feeling good about and they do as well.
