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Joining us right now live off from the debt debate and also the hearings on fast and furious is senator Chuck Grassley.
A member of the US Senate Judiciary Committee.
And does today they're holding these hearings concerning operation fast and furious the very controversial.
Program by -- Justice Department in which illegal guns and -- a lot to be sold.
South of the border the idea being that the ATF was going to track them and be able to infiltrate these.
Gun smuggling rings -- -- -- But apparently we lost track and it was some people say -- disaster with.
One of these guns being used to kill an American border region Bryan Terry and joining us now is a senator Grassley.
A senator what has happened so far at today's hearings into this issue.
I think two or three things have come up it's relatively new.
In this is an ongoing investigation may go on for a long time -- we actually get to the bottom of it but number one.
Our embassy officials -- the alcohol tobacco and firearms ATF.
In Mexico City they were trying to get information on what you just described.
-- home fast and furious.
And and they were never given any information.
Then when this was six -- bite me back in January.
In in the program was stopped.
They testified today how embarrassing -- what can you believe.
The people Mexico City for something that was supposed to be used to.
Track down drug kingpins in Mexico that they wouldn't know something about it if it was coming from Washington DC through the -- US attorney's office.
But no they couldn't find out anything the second thing is that there's at least one wiretap.
Then -- -- And only wiretaps can be improved -- -- assistant attorney general level not at the ATF level.
So we know that people higher up in in Justice Department.
Is involved with -- fast and furious and we don't know how high up but at least to the assistant attorney level.
And then at the other thing is that we I have people testifying still today at 8 PM.
That this program and -- -- fast and furious that you described very accurately.
Are really wasn't intended to get guns across the border well then that leads me to the question -- -- wasn't intended to get guns across the borders -- you could follow old dogs.
To the drug cartels and arrest people in the drug trade.
What was the purpose of -- which gets me back to the fact that this wasn't very well spelled out its driver cowboy mentality.
It's it was probably McNamee people here in Washington look like.
Law enforcement people if they got drug kingpins but at the grassroots of America.
It in the ATF organization down in Phoenix.
Long time before this was stopped a long time before the murder.
People were a were hold up here barring -- level employees that this is more work.
And their prophecy became true when.
-- was murder.
-- there was a previous senate hearing on this issue that focused on the death of border region Bryan Terry and also featured testimony.
From some of these ATF agents who say they expressed grave concerns.
With the higher ups and then they say that does those concerns were disregarded -- today's hearing is focusing more on.
The Mexican side of the border and does the fact.
A lot of these guns that were supposed to be tracked that we allowed to be sold down there.
We used to commit crimes in Mexico crimes against Mexicans.
And that win.
Found the weapons that -- used and US officials discovered so you know this is one of -- from fast and furious.
That they were not informing.
The country of Mexico -- love that fact.
Is that what's being confirmed by this hearing today.
I think it's being confirmed are more certain by taking.
The attitude of our employees in the embassy in Washington who ask about fast and furious.
They didn't know anything about it and you'd think if if there ATF employees in Mexico City.
That and since the whole.
Thing was geared towards Mexico.
You'd think Washington or at least the Phoenix office.
Would have kept our employees in Mexico City and form.
But no they did.
So I think that it's fair to say that the Mexican government wasn't told about it either and are probably should've been.
Us senator we have a live chat going on during this Webb showed we have some questions -- one of them from Tony is up.
When will we get a special prosecutor to look at this crime obviously because there's some concern that.
That there's possibly some political cover up going on.
Well I think we have.
Well we're at least being stonewalled I don't wanna say cover up at this point whether stonewalling cover up may be the same thing but I think.
Pardon me I think we after -- who.
Further before we would make a point about a special prosecutor.
Okay we have another question this one is from Ken Wilson who asks.
Because of the Justice Department issue how much is -- Eric Holder involved in fast and furious.
Well I wish I could answer that question I don't know I don't -- they just said.
-- earlier that we normally and at least bonuses and her attorney general for -- wiretap Rijndael hi how are much higher.
I don't -- that's what we're trying to find out.
Right and then we have a question also just -- exactly approved.
Fast and furious.
That's the question has -- to warn you -- because we want -- -- who would win.
And we don't have an answers yeah that's what we're after.
Right all right very interesting.
And controversial hearing going on right now and us senator Chuck Grassley.
We thank you so much for joining us live from the Russell rotunda to give us the very.
Late breaking details on what is transpiring behind you thank you again best of luck thank you.
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