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-- -- debate -- over one of the most iconic landmarks at the World Trade Center site.
The ground zero cross and that came to be known.
Now at its new home inside the 9/11 memorial and museum.
Many saw the cross -- a source of hope.
During the rebuilding but the organization American Atheists has now filed a lawsuit to get across removed from the museum and site.
Arguing that it violates the separation of church and state.
Joined now by Tim Brown who is retired firefighter by the FDA and Wyatt was -- 9/11 first responder.
Blair Scott communications director.
For American Atheists joins us on the phone had a satellite issue and partially so we apologize for that -- let let me start with you.
Why -- you know why is this is an issue eight you know that this cross was found.
In the rubble.
At the world treasonous act constructed as -- cross it just sort of appeared that way.
And became a real source of an inspiration for people who desperately needed at the time.
-- and we have no doubt that it it became a source of inspiration for for many people -- we can certainly appreciate that.
But it wasn't just Christians on ground zero that one died and two were part of the rescue effort and and -- -- my deepest regret you know.
But go up at the tenement and what he did it and being the hero that he wasn't looking for first survivors in and risking his life going to the rubble.
But it it boils down to the constitution would have really pulled down -- and why we all have deep seated emotions in the tissue including -- who was up in that area.
And -- in New York City the day before.
This the emotions can't trump law and that's really -- the ball down the world.
Right Tim this is cross breaking a lot.
You know I'm not a lawyer but I know that the cross is very meaningful to -- it was very meaningful to us in the days when we were digging for friends.
In in all those that died.
On that terrible day.
I I appreciate what Blair says.
Appreciate his accolades and all but.
Who will figure this this out in court.
Well you know if he stirring up so many.
Difficult emotions again by doing this but we don't need to be put through this.
We believe in the end that the courts will decide that the cross can remain there.
Just because Blair or others don't like it it doesn't mean that it does that it can't be in museum they don't you know that we can't just -- -- and make rules for everything in the museum what -- letter three of the fire truck that was lowered into the museum last week.
Was questioned the shape of a cross would he then want that taken out of the museum also.
-- -- -- -- topic prospers status issue I mean it -- just just objecting to it or not.
Another step out -- the -- that the misconception people have about the -- -- it not to cross the state it's just a small letter to -- Among many -- that better among thousands and thought the rule -- that are built.
That one survived -- number act that would make that are repetitive like.
Asked him at that the only opinion and -- hypocritical fact that the actual fact here mean what what what the -- It was blessed by clergy they held church services that it it was worship that it was prayed -- It was turned into a religious idol.
-- so all the more reason why you shouldn't object to having it there is just a T and there -- many of them at the World Trade Center it's eighteen that happens to have survived.
And they wanna put its team that has people's names inscribed on and museums so what the problem.
We're not objecting to the letter or the -- that the cross are objecting to defected to religious icon and has been worshipped.
But it's not anything good -- you just said it's not a religious icon at the T.
No I think that it was a religious icon I that it it to cause it's just the key -- -- -- and -- it's not known no I can't because it's not back.
Bet it's across purse say -- the -- it has been turned into a religious icon by other people.
It is it was just a piece of rubble we'd have no problem.
Larry -- -- your -- your -- plaintiffs in your lawsuit.
This says that the cross is nothing but an ugly piece of wreckage that does not represent anything but horror and death -- your own -- In horror and death is exactly what happened that day at ground zero and -- you -- to go after it do this shameless grab for publicity.
On the backs of my friends who were died who died on 9/11 were murdered by.
Islamic terrorists if you're -- it's shameful what you are doing you should be ashamed yourself and you should read it withdraw the complaint.
There will be happy do we -- the -- Complain -- that it they've removed the cross or they allow everybody to have equal access as required by the law this is in the publicity stunt that the.
Absolutely there's -- absolutely is I I can appreciate your opinions.
Tim will we got to go by very quickly a couple words age -- anything this is headed.
Well the American center for law and justice and will represent me we will find and file an amicus brief.
As a friend of the court and we are confident that the court will find as it has in the past that in cases like this do not have merit.
And it would that it is his constitutional.
-- this cross is is in iconic symbol.
Of of what happened that day and -- America all of Americans proud of that thank you.
Thanks one thing.
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