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Behind the Fast & Furious Program

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    ATF's reported promotion of supervisors in ill-fated gun operation

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That's welcome back everybody we are are talking about this sad story does that make headlines right now.

You probably heard about operation not fast and furious.

A top Republican senators slam the justice department -- reportedly promoting the supervisors.

Of the field anti gun running sting operation fast and furious.

Which is under federal and congressional investigation after weapons linked to that program were used in.

A December attack in Mexico that killed the US.

Border agents.

Very sad story let me bring in right now oh -- -- spot Kofsky music senior legal fellow.

For The Heritage Foundation.

In the help me walk through this ponds in terms of what's happening.

Where they are the testimony.

ATF acting director Ken Nelson and July 4 in defiance of his.

A Department of Justice handlers has highlighted an ongoing cover up at the DOJ.

Over who in the leadership.

Was involved in approving this mishandled and bungled operation any clear effort to thwart the congressional investigation.

-- so you.

Where you see it from from your standpoint -- Why it it really shows the arrogance of this administration that they would promote.

The three supervisors of ATF who were most involved.

In running this operation.

And they did this at the same time last week.

That we learned that you know there were two of these weapons such as you said showed up.

At the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry it's here that -- that He -- that ended the program but last week it kick out.

That 57.

Of these -- same weapons.

Had turned up at eleven other.

I only have I'm seeing other other crime scenes that one -- is that part too many go ahead.

-- These turned up -- other crime scene starting.

In January.

Of last year right so for a whole year.

The ATF knew these were turning up at crime scenes.

Yet they continue the operation I mean that kind of recklessness.

Endangered the safety of a lot of Americans and yet the people who kept on running this operation.

Have been promoted.

-- I had to guess here on set with me I've got -- morning Liz -- -- -- you'll be hearing their voices that they may chime in on this conversation.

-- -- -- -- Income well I guess the question really is what -- mean what was their what was the thinking behind this program that they were gonna be able it Trace.

The that that that that sort of travels of these guns and keep them under control what went wrong really.

Well look the thing is that this was a foolish operation from the beginning because once they -- guns went across the Mexican border.

They could no longer Trace that you know they could do that in the United States they couldn't do it in Mexico so the operation from the very beginning.

Was not good and up in the kind of prosecutions that they seemingly want it.

That seems like and it seems like a misadventure from the get go an unfortunate one that turned out rather badly.

Yeah I know that that is definitely true and yet the administration just doesn't want to admit that is -- wrong hence the promotions -- these three ATF agent.

Well this is obviously so in the headlines and so everyone will be following this to see how it plays on and unfortunately there in Mexico City.

I don't know honestly if there's a tie between this story in that horrible.

Hanging -- a little boy office.

The bridge in Mexico City.

Just yesterday.

And his head was found in the garbage bag and -- nearby.

They did just the point -- that it just talks about being ruthlessness of those drug cartels that are.

Treating horrible crimes and and and wreaking Havoc on communities.

-- in in Mexico.

Is there is there any sense at all that we are making progress in our dealings with the Mexican authorities and that -- and that they are making progress in their war on.

On drugs this is just I mean it it it seems like there's such a -- a high level of corruption and dysfunction I mean.

And this story about the gun tracing just seems to feed into that -- and it does kind of make you wonder how in the world we could have thought it would work.

Yeah I I don't think they're making a lot of progress you have to remember that one of the reasons these drug cartels are sold.

Unfortunately efficient what they're doing is they have a lot.

Members former members of the Mexican military who have defected them taking with them.

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