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All right let's get back to the -- -- story of the day the fighting in the capital of Libya Tripoli.
Very intense right now we've seen new pictures coming in a fighting around the military base will bring those to you as soon as we can but it appears that the rebels in Libya on now involved in essentially a mopping up operation.
Trying to gain control of the last five -- 10%.
Of the capital that the forces loyal to colonel Qaddafi.
Remain in control of I wanna bring in former US State Department.
Official Christian white now joining us from -- Los Angeles bureau.
I cursing you and I've talked about this phone for many many months now I know -- not been.
A big fan of the way the Obama administration has handled this but right now it looks like a victory for -- side at least.
Certainly it's a great victory for the rebels it's a mixed bag for the Obama administration.
You know -- them.
Policy out of the White House has been.
Very unclear from the beginning you had the president.
I jump out of the gate relatively quickly and say Qaddafi must go although not in the critical first days when -- face an uprising in Tripoli itself in this whole war could have been.
Avoided perhaps but later He said Gadhafi must go.
And -- He committed US -- but then He did so in a very indirect way saying listen for humanitarian purposes He ruled out troops on the ground which meant no Forward Air -- to coordinate air power with the rebels.
So hit the White House has really been all over the map today I sort of in the -- a little bit that the media that declared.
Establishment media that declared Iraq to be a quagmire after three days of combat thinks that this prolonged civil war.
-- -- -- necessarily by far best oracle standards but certainly long by modern standards.
Is a success for the White House I'd say it's much more mixed bag and going forward we still have the problem that.
Our ability to influence matters on the ground in Libya.
And elsewhere in -- post revolutionary countries is very limited because our tools of of government tools of influence our broken.
Now I remember you were talking that this full Christian backed.
Not exactly boots on the ground release of having shoes of some -- mean -- I can't remember how you describe the CIA guises and boys from West Virginia -- something like that we shall code names -- Virginia farm boys could give -- -- -- that was it.
How -- Virginia probably should we have on the ground now.
You know I think the CIA is is is sort of how it's not what it used to be as far as influencing political outcomes -- basically got out of that business for better or worse.
You know early in the CIA's existence they stood up things like Radio Free Europe they understood political warfare.
They understood that there is.
A lot that can be done in between diplomacy.
And it's going to war.
And that is something we could be using here also just bailing ourselves to the rebels to help they need with the logistics of standing up -- government.
That would be much better I think than just lamenting from Washington and we're still hearing this five months after this began that we don't know who these people are.
We actually have a pretty good idea who these people are now how they run cities we saw how they ran.
Then Ghazi in this -- which I think was commendable and people are taking a fairly pessimistic tone on the future.
You know analogies to Baghdad after the war but I don't see those as being after I think -- will end up being impressed with the way.
The rebels run Tripoli and conduct themselves will be turbulence but it'll be better I think than a lot of what we've seen so far right -- -- -- -- -- -- don't look we don't know way He is He could obviously stay and fight.
And bring about his own -- if you like but what do you think.
Will happen to colonel Gadhafi what do you think should happen provided He is taken alive.
He's captured I think the road rules will set up the justice commission this was alluded to in a document that they.
Wrapped up at the end of last month that spells out what takes place after the war -- he'd take the initial steps of setting up a democracy that's inclusive and oblivious many tribes.
I think that's a much more likely outcome and sending -- into The -- I think outside of Washington and Brussels and Paris that.
The ICC the international criminal court in the various goings on in The -- and in Brussels are laughed at.
I think the rebels rightly want to deal with him.
Themselves -- the key thing would be not just to try him but put the whole process by which.
He came to power -- legitimately have constructed a fake republic.
And has been ruling -- and -- completely unaccountable manner for the last four decades is is more appropriate in other words put the whole system that enabled Qaddafi.
On trial and have that pave the way.
Two better Olivia so hopefully that's what they'll do I doubt they'll turn them over to the ICC you never know but just -- --
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