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And -- -- down on this Labor Day weekend from Fox News in Washington.
It is no holds barred new book former Vice President Cheney chronicles is remarkable for decades in public life.
He -- -- and the key behind the scenes moments in the bush White House and He offers his opinion on where the country has had had now.
We sat down with Cheney this week to talk about his book in my time and about a lot more that isn't in the -- Mr.
vice president welcome back to FOX News Sunday -- Rebecca Harris I wanna start in June of 2000 south.
The Bush Administration had intelligence that Syria was building a nuclear reactor would help.
From North Korea there was a meeting of the National Security Council and you made the argument that taking out the reactor.
Would send a strong message not only to Syria not only to North Korea but also to Iran.
-- lost the argument.
An automated eloquent presentation Chris but.
After the then the opportunity to have my sales and president was very good about He knew what I was gonna say have been given me that opportunity.
Then He went around the room -- -- asked if anybody there members of the National Security Council agreed with the vice president nobody did.
I was the only one and advocated that course of action so.
The ultimate outcome was that.
They decided to pursue a diplomatic solution to the United Nations.
The Israelis found that unacceptable from their perspective then the Israelis took out the reactor which was what need to be done.
You also give a detailed account.
Secretary of state rice negotiating in 2008.
With the north Koreans.
And frankly I think it's fair to say you hammer her.
You say is she made concession after concession missiles and approach to arms control.
I had never seen before we were headed for trying.
She had a lot of help from the State Department.
Of course -- at that point was of the secretary of state but I felt that.
The north Koreans continually walk away from commitments they've made and the attendants in the State Department was to make another concession to see if that wouldn't get them to fulfill their commitments and their obligations than -- did.
Our failure to be consistent over time and -- keep those commitments.
And to force them to keep their commitments.
I think resulted in a situation where the north Koreans not only proliferated technology to Syria ultimately they tested another weapon.
Calm day and went forward and developed.
Uranium enrichment capacity which we thought they had they denied it turned out they in fact -- they've got some 2000.
The centrifuges operating now.
They have -- basically function with impunity and diplomatic sense and we never did get on top of the North Korean problem.
During our time -- off.
Now rice has now responded to your comments and say and says that you basically attacked her integrity.
And that she never misled the president.
Well I don't believe that I attacked her integrity and it try to make a strong case on the merits on the substance of the issue that I guess the point -- wanna get out as it wasn't just Condi Rice and it wasn't just a rogue State Department because in October of 2008.
Report the fact.
The President Bush agreed with rice to take North Korea off the list of state sponsors of terrorism you write this in the book.
It was a sad moment because it seemed to be a repudiation.
Of the Bush Doctrine.
And a reversal of so much of what we had accomplished in the area of nonproliferation.
In the first -- mean here was the administration in your mind going back on its own principal Alan.
President made the decision.
Based on the advice -- they obviously got conflicting advice from me and from Secretary Rice.
It was his -- he's the president united still why do you think he's changed some well I think He believed that that was the right thing to do I disagree.
But why do you think He -- it -- well clearly didn't like I can't you know speak for him obviously.
I think He sat down and looked at and He concluded He wanted to take secretary rice's advice follow the lead in the State Department which He did.
And and then made that decision.
I wanted to start with these two examples because they seem to confirm.
-- belief that you were marginalized.
In the second term that after having an awful lot of clout and influence.
Let's say you ran things but that that you out of view of the world in the president's seem to agree -- you.
Kind of ended in the second.
Well I think I think.
Perhaps my clout was -- that's possible.
I wouldn't -- about that I didn't.
I didn't major my success in terms of what I recommended.
Based upon know how many do they Taiwan with respect policy.
I admitted based primarily on one what I believe what I felt was best for the country and with the encouragement -- -- Guess what I'm getting at is that it seems to me is that the clear implication is that that while -- Feel that you remained a hardliner.
In the second term on confronting terrorism and confronting the state sponsors of terrorism.
That you believe the president and some of those other top advisors.
-- -- Well I didn't use those words I know -- -- those those -- your words -- but it that is not what you believe I believe that we were not as effective.
In the second term dealing with this issue of nuclear non proliferation.
As we -- -- in the first term and we stripped Libya and Iraq and a Q -- of the capacity to.
Do proliferate nuclear technology but why do you think the administration.
Lost its its will in that area.
Well you're asking me to make head and judgment now you're his -- and and as an observer as anybody else well and and I've given a lot of thought written about it.
So what you find in the book it's what I believe.
And in terms of trying to interpret why others did what they did you know I'm really -- I can't be that -- that -- speak for themselves.
That you -- also about the Iraq troop surge in 2007.
Republicans started to get nervous it wasn't working as -- quickly and effectively as.
It had been hoped stories started coming out of the White House about maybe you're gonna start pulling troops out faster you go to see -- the president.
And you say to him in the Oval Office.
These stories easily some of the White House are cutting our commanders -- that there needs shortly thereafter the national security advisor Steve Hadley comes to your office.
That he'd been the source of one of the links and and then -- -- -- -- the direction the president.
It's pretty stunning not a much a -- a bit of a surprise my immediate reaction.
Was that they could -- this probably as well that I didn't know that before I made my pitch to the president.
Because I thought it was important that He hear that other point of view.
Now on behalf of the president He made the right decision He stayed wish.
The surge all the way through He used the one who originally opted for the search.
And -- -- when He was getting all this advice from Capitol Hill because there were a number of Republican senators frankly that we're talking about -- And from people inside his own staff He looked today that listen to and ultimately decided to stick with a surge and it was the right call to make.
And ask you about another issue into your book you say how upset you were when you found out that.
The latest thing is the final secretary of defense Bob gates told the that the Saudi king.
The President Bush would be impeached if He were to take out Iran's.
But you don't say it would sure advice was some -- I'm gonna ask you a direct question.
Did you advise the president to take out Iran's.
I didn't write about that in the book.
That's -- you're asking him yet no we -- What I felt strongly about and and spoke publicly about the time was that I felt we needed to have the military option on the table.
We never got to the point where I said I think we need to launch a strike against the Iranian program.
But I didn't think it was very important that it be part of the package which He never possibilities.
I was always advising keep that option -- to take -- never advised exercise.
Correct anyone know when no Bob bell went to Saudi Arabia and said that the king of Saudi Arabia.
The president can do that are being impeached He in -- took off the table and I thought that was a mistake let's go back to 9/11.
What do you remember about that and what I remember.
That really stands out to.
Like it was only yesterday in effect I don't think I'll ever forget it -- -- in my office watching the second plane hit the tower in the new York and then having the door burst open in -- there.
I'm leaving Secret Service agent -- -- grab me by the belt and a hand on my coat and -- -- we have to leave immediately and take off.
Run me down the hall I had no choice but to go wasn't -- the way He was maneuvering -- -- He inform me as we took off that there was a plane headed for crown code word for the White House at 500 miles an hour.
Coming in from -- Turned out that was flight 27777.
That came in made a circle and went into the Pentagon.
I was on my way to the presidential emergency operations center when we started the process call the president.
Urged him not come back until we knew better what was going on.
Foremost in my mind is sitting in the AMP out.
After which is that you presidential emergency operation center the bunker underneath from the bunker underneath the White House.
Had -- norm Mineta with -- secretary transportation.
We had a list of six aircraft we believed to have been hijacked and stood before we were trying to get all the planes gone out of the sky and we watched as the million towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.
Something nobody really expected or anticipated.
And you can sit there and see and the very much aware that thousands of people were at that moment be killed.
As a result of these terrorist attacks that deter the United States now.
You and the president had earlier discuss rules of engagement for taking down a hijacked airplane plot.
You're the one who gave the direct order.
To shoot down a plane that you were told as it turns -- him correctly was headed for Washington right.
Was that moment well.
It was necessary.
And it was a -- frankly I didn't pause to think about it very much because once one of those aircraft became.
Movements hijacked it was a weapon.
We've seen already.
Gone by that time three of them go in the Pentagon -- the World Trade Center in New York.
As a result thousands died and if we had been in a position to intercept one of those -- keep it from striking its target would we have done absolutely.
And what I did was pass on the president's approval.
The basic proposition that we would in fact.
-- authorize our people to shoot down aircraft that had been hijacked.
And they refuse to convert so I sought as part of my responsibility but I I did it quickly.
Because we have a lot of other things we were doing the same time.
There's been a lot of talk about your criticism of the book of Colin Powell do you say that He seemed to feel it was OK to talk debt.
Outsiders about his problems with the president's Iraq policy but that He never brought adopt specifically.
In meetings with the president.
As you know secretary Powell general Powell is unloaded on you let's -- It's gonna cause heads to explode that's quite a visual.
And in fact and the kind of headline I would expect to come out of a gossip columnist mr.
Cheney has had a long and distinguished career and I hope in his book that's what -- -- focus on.
Not to use a cheap shots and he's taking it me and other members of the administration who -- -- the best of our ability floor President Bush.
You have the the class and Cheney how smile but in fairness to him to the general He says look I'm the guy.
Who's said to President Bush the pottery barn rule you go into Iraq you wanna.
Well I think if you look at the book Chris and I know you've read it.
The fact of the matter is there's a lot more.
In the book that talks about the positive relationship I had with general Powell when we were both -- pentagon and I had -- Selected him to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff we work very well together for those four years.
Through Operation Desert Storm and so forth so.
I think I don't think general Powell -- where the whole book.
When He made his -- -- -- what -- is pretty tough bottom in the book well I was.
I think portrayed what -- perceived.
To be the situation.
I assumed I'm only gonna have one opportunity to write a book on the presence written a book secretary of defense has written a book.
Under the CIA's during the -- -- -- writing a book.
I thought it would only proper that I should put down my thoughts on those those years in office which is what I've done.
When He says that these are cheap shots -- -- wrong -- obviously I disagree -- anything you wanna take back.
Powell's former -- chief of staff Lawrence will -- not enough you know this is also weighed in He says that you're worried if about being tried as a war criminal.
Well that's news to me a I don't pay a lot of attention mr.
Wilkerson I don't know I'm as far as I know I've never met the gentleman.
-- -- He speaks out from time to time and and strikes me as.
Here has not gonna local health -- a competitive.
Almost three years into his cover.
What do you think of Barack Obama's president.
I disagree with -- -- on a great many issues.
-- Supported John McCain I did not support Barack Obama when it was time.
Make that choice in in 2008.
I think He has been.
Not very effective frankly especially in the economic arena I think we're faced with terrible economic problems today huge long term debt problem it's gotten.
Measurably worse on his watch.
Serious serious unemployment problem millions of Americans out of work.
And in spite of a lot of -- talk we haven't seen the kind of action that's required in order to get the economy moving again to restore growth and hope and prosperity that.
That all of -- depend upon.
He thinks Obama is making a speech stated to congress to the nation next Thursday -- a new plan to turn around the economy.
Based on what you've heard based on what he's done what are your thoughts well I haven't seen what's gonna be -- plan yet.
Accident extending payroll tax cuts more the science sounds like it.
I don't think you can get the job I think we need.
Very very serious effort.
Primarily to tax policy to provide incentives and encouragement for people.
To save and invest and to expand their businesses -- -- create more jobs kind of thing we did in the early Reagan years thirty years ago.
I think that's essential I think we need to significant really reduce the regulatory burden on the private sector.
The Obama administration's June exactly the opposite there are -- on more and more regulation on the private sector with respect to the how the economy functions.
We need to have a pro growth policy put in place.
That offers people hope and offers the opportunity for businesses to expand and for them to have confidence.
And what the world's gonna look like over the next two or three or four years.
With respect to domestic economic policy right now they don't have it and it's not clear to me that -- speech that.
Present -- -- coming in this week to provide and I hope it does.
But I remain to be convinced.
Do you think Hillary Clinton would have been a better president and Barack Obama.
More I am not sure -- would've ever said -- Perhaps she might have been easier for.
-- some of us who are critics of the president.
To work with but then she -- -- do you say that well just sense I have the sense that she's one of the more confident members of the the current administration.
And it would be interesting to speculate about how she might -- performer she'd be present.
Do you think the Democrats would be better off in 2012 and Hillary Clinton as the nominating well I certainly wouldn't want to discourage the primary contest on their side.
But I don't want to be in a position where I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton.
That might be the kiss of death.
For her -- fact is I'll be supporting the Republican nominee and I think we've had some good candidates.
That are gonna mount an effective campaigns against the Obama administration.
I don't have any reason to believe Hillary Clinton's interest in running but maybe she yes.
You wouldn't discourage you know certainly not I think it would be good for the two party system.
Last year -- give Republicans last year -- endorse Kay Bailey Hutchison.
For governor of Texas against the incumbent governor Rick Perry -- been serving that role for ten years and you said this westerners know the difference.
Between a talker and the real deal if Rick Perry wasn't right to be governor of Texas why should He be president.
Well I -- endorsed anybody for president had.
I supported Kay Bailey Hutchison we've been friends for a long time unknown.
Case since we worked in the Ford administration -- the many years ago.
And when she decided to run for governor she asked me to supporter and I did it wasn't any commentary on.
On governor Perry hit it -- -- clearly thought she was a better candidate than -- that's correct and she ran in the primary she lost.
But does that.
What did you think that Perry was not as good a candidate as she -- well I didn't know in the way that.
I've worked with no -- in Kay -- not gonna get anything on.
I'm -- I'm trying to avoid that.
There's a lot of talk that you in the bushes.
Really like -- -- I do like that.
He's a very able guy watch what He did with the Olympics in the you -- on the Winter Olympics.
And I thought it was a good governor.
Again though I haven't endorsed him haven't endorsed anybody else.
Don't expect I will anytime soon we'll see what develops in the primaries and and who emerges from that process.
By do expect in the end don't support the Republican nominee for for president.
Do you worry at all that that that Obama.
Very vulnerable some web site but that the Republicans.
-- says that this push from the Tea Party may end up nominating somebody who will have difficulty.
Moving back to the center in the general election and winning independence ups.
I do this not quite the way I think Chris.
But my belief is that I think that the Tea Party folks have had a significant positive effect.
I think they have in fact sort of put on them.
The national agenda and no uncertain terms so question of our deficit debt problems I think members of congress are paying a lot of attention as they should.
And I would expect that they will continue to have a role to play and that they represent a very significant body of opinion out across the country.
-- badly wants the government to get its act together with -- respect to spend I think that's a plus.
One last -- I wanna get into would you back when you were president Ford's chief of staff from the seventies you -- kind of a press.
Favorite you used to pal around with the press and now.
I think it's fair to say you're seen by the mainstream media as suspicious even hostile towards them.
Has your opinion.
Of the media.
And the mainstream media changed over the years and if so why I don't think it changed.
I had different roles.
When I was so White House chief of staff I spent a lot of time of the press her background basis rarely ever got quoted.
But I was in a position to be able to help explain administration policy to my friends in the press corps as vice president and I wasn't.
And that was a conscious decision I made a decision some time ago I wasn't gonna run for president myself.
I wasn't gonna worry about what people in Iowa might say about my conduct as vice president it's also true.
That I was a staunch advocate is a very controversial -- it's like.
The terrorist surveillance program and enhanced interrogation techniques -- of a deep conviction on my part that we badly needed those to succeed.
In the war on terror.
I'm proud of those policies but I couldn't talk about those either.
And so -- the net result is I think the press felt.
Maybe neglected timing that it wasn't because I I didn't care for the press it's just that I had to be more discreet amendment before pet.
I think -- but I -- -- just trust us I don't know if you seen us I was watching your interview on The Today Show earlier this week and I didn't know if you're aware this.
I want to show you take a look at how it ended.
Thanks for being with us this morning appreciate it no matter -- -- Investigate -- But we'll have.
What do you make of that I mean I somehow doubt that if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were speaking they would have taken a shot and then suddenly a person would sign would've been.
Putting their picture up I mean.
Simply do think there is a liberal bias in the mainstream media.
Oh I think there probably is.
But I I don't spend a lot of time more about it I think those of us.
Right thinking conservatives.
Find that there are a lot of outlets out there now.
The media on the Internet.
That give us an ample opportunity for our points of view that didn't get across and to be heard and it's.
Got a situation that with respect to my own circumstance.
There are a lot of people out there don't like me don't like what I did in public life.
Disagree fundamentally with my views.
It's okay it's democracy.
I don't need or I didn't need you know a 100%.
To prevail I only needed 50% plus one.
And I'm not running for anything now.
Political career is ended.
I loved it loved every minute Evan but I'm not trying to impress anybody with what a great candidate and make -- I don't plan to be -- candidate.
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