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We've got breaking news this afternoon on a federal investigation that already cost the jobs of some top law enforcement officials.
Operation fast and furious was a program through which the feds trying to track down some high ranking leaders in Mexican drug cartels.
Wound up allowing guns to fall into the hands of some very dangerous criminals -- Mexico.
Today there appears to be insult to injury as we learned that the Department of Justice also apparently released a dangerous explosives runner.
After the guy had already been arrested and was in custody.
Congressman Darrell -- is a Republican from California He chairs the house committee on oversight and government reform which is looking into.
Exactly that question.
Sir thank you so much for being here our viewers who are definitely not gonna be -- steeped in the story -- York.
So just it in a nutshell it -- that your concern is that what DOJ had this dangerous guy handed to it.
By a bite in ATF and DOJ let the guy go and now you're trying to figure out why they did that.
-- we now see that He will He will in fact be brought to justice which is the good part of the story.
He's already really been apprehended but there were -- -- months there where He when He wasn't.
Apps absolutely and this is part of a pattern we saw it in fast and furious and we saw in the southwest which was ATF wanted to.
Grabbed the people at the first point in which they -- get a legitimate prosecution and stop the guns or in this case grenades from being traffic.
The US attorney's office Department of Justice wanted to wait and wait and wait.
And and fortunately they waited until precursors.
Basically bomb making materials -- -- -- crossed into Mexico and the Mexicans had failed to intervene.
That's not acceptable is what we need to make -- never happens again.
It but is this case and you trying to exercise 20/20 hindsight because of that and as I understand that the Justice Department is saying.
Yes yes ATF arrested this guy who was a very dangerous guy by all accounts I mean series up to his neck and in grenades and manufacturing improvised explosive devices.
116 grenade hulls and parts and so on supplying weapons to a cartel areas not a good guy.
So they get him.
They -- in custody ATF according to the reports was horrified at the thought of releasing him practically begged -- the senior prosecutor in DOJ for permission to arrest him.
And they want in the -- custody and DOJ is now saying.
We wanted to continue surveillance we do this it in some cases where you got the guy but then eleven -- you can follow and and maybe He brings in somebody more.
Important on the totem -- Look I'm perfectly willing to have justice do their job including.
Sometimes letting somebody go that you follow but you don't -- guns walk you don't -- explosives walk.
That's what's wrong with what went on -- here it is what with -- what's wrong.
In this whole grenade caper.
You cannot allow these dangerous assets.
To fall into into rub the wrong hands and that's what ATF has been fighting for is to say we stop the guns from walking we stop explosives from from.
Being used because they're they're moved.
That's an important first step.
Yes it's good due to rack up the higher rankings but you can't do it on the backs of dead Americans or Mexicans.
Now this this prosecutor.
In in I think I think it's the same guy Dennis -- he's the US attorney in Arizona he's been ousted from his position does that put an end to what -- -- is it's you know.
Case solved problem done.
But you know whenever you talk about human mistakes you have to say what was in the system that allowed that human mistake to go on and perpetuate itself.
And our committee is the Government Reform Committee were about making sure that there's a system to prevent this in the future.
When we have assurances that system is in place than our jobs done.
There's also questions that the DOJ is raising about atx the airplane they're not they're not just trying to justify their own behavior -- saying -- we wanted to continue surveillance they're also saying.
It's the ATF that was to blame here.
Because they conducted a staying.
Where they tracked this sky they -- -- and -- let him get these grenade parts He was gonna take them across the US border down in Mexico and ATF was supposed to be trailing him -- according to DOJ.
ATF -- lost the guy.
And that's where all the trouble started so there you know it's like -- -- -- agencies of the federal government doing this to each other.
-- this is one of those things where the facts matter ATF wanted to arrest him before He crossed the border DOJ wanted him to be able to cross the border.
He was lost on the Mexican side of the border which is outside of ATF's jurisdiction He should never been allowed to traffic across the United States border.
It just shouldn't have happened that's what was wrong with this sting operation is DOJ let explosive.
It's it's incredible when you get a behind the scenes view of what's going on in particular in the southern -- -- times Darrell ice -- sir thank you so much for being here thank you Megan.
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