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Well there is another 9/11 story getting a lot of attention today.
Nobel Prize winning economist Paul -- decided to mark the occasion yesterday with the New York Times blog entry called the years of shame.
In it He writes quote.
The atrocity should have been in unifying event but instead it became the wedge issue.
Fake heroes like Bernie kerik Rudy Giuliani and yes -- George W.
Raced to cash in on the war.
And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated -- the neo cons wanted to fight for all the wrong reasons He goes on quote.
The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned it has become an occasion.
Brad Whitman is a former deputy assistant to president George W.
And Medea Benjamin is a co-founder of code pink thank you both very much for coming on today Brad let me start with you.
Now some are calling for the New York Times to suspend or fire.
Paul -- -- for not only what He said but for choosing to do it.
On the ten year mark since 9/11 what so you.
He should be fired he's a coward.
He's a hack.
The fact is that.
He doesn't speak for 9/11 victims I served president George W.
Bush on 9/11 in the years in the aftermath I lost a nephew on that day.
A first responder.
Who was killed saving people He certainly doesn't speak for me 9/11 is not a phony event for me I served in government where was Paul Krugman what the hell did He ever do.
Except it's to spew hate.
Without any basis of fact even opinion is based on fact I saw what president George W.
Bush did for this country.
I knew what He was doing I was there I observed that I also -- -- Rudy Giuliani did as all Americans did.
He was a mayor at the time not just for America but for New York City when they needed him the most.
Paul Krugman has absolutely no regard for any members who suffered that day.
And again I say he's a coward and a hack -- Howard because you would not allow Megan readers to comment on his article.
Auto quote for obvious reasons He should be fired.
The -- cool is Paul -- to turnouts for the world that 9/11 is quote a day of shame an occasion for Shane.
I think Paul Krugman is right 9/11 was used to justify.
To unjust war incidents led to the death of over 6000 -- soldiers.
And hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghan civilians and absolutely -- is to -- at the Pentagon budget.
That is only -- the coffers the defense contractors -- tanked our economy.
And it's been used as an excuse to condone torture and indefinite detention which is sullied the reputation.
Of the United States worldwide and that is a shame I'm let me get back to -- -- and once again but let me just as some -- -- not -- -- the invasion of Afghanistan.
Bombing al-Qaeda that was not justified by 9/11.
It's justified to go after individuals who attacked us an al-Qaeda but not to start in indiscriminate bombing campaign.
In Afghanistan that has led to the death of more civilians -- were killed on 9/11 OK let me got to get Brad to respond.
What are our actions against those who seek to do us harm and did us harm were absolutely legitimate.
-- absolutely legitimate Afghanistan and let me say this with you trying and trying to somehow justify.
9/11 for our invasion of Iraq is absolutely erroneous we went into Iraq separate and distinct from the acts of nine elevenths and the Taliban you know that you use it as a talking point to try and drag in an unrelated event you know it's not true.
Yet you improvement and others used that as an attempt to.
The B memory and the loss of 9/11 and it shameful.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Let me -- -- this question and then you'll be you check your chance I promise.
I want to ask you -- obviously -- I know your feelings about President Bush but given that counted coping work criminal He should be behind -- as we met met there right we've we've heard you had on many times.
Let me ask you about the attack and Rudy Rudy Giuliani.
Who who as -- eyes as Brad points out many people considered America's mayor after 9/11 and really admired the way.
He brought not just this city together but that but the country together with his comments in the way He led.
Through tragedy that was unfolding before his eyes do you agree upon pregnant that He is a quote fake.
-- Yes He profited off of nine elevenths.
He used 9/11 as the reason for a failed presidential campaign in which all He could talk about was nine elevenths.
And He -- continued to profit from that personally.
And I think the American people saw through it and wanted a leader who is actually going to use 9/11.
To bring people together and that was not Rudy Giuliani -- right Brad clearly wants -- On and He will get the chance to do that count if you would please stand -- -- to carry this over to the other side of this break we'll be right back.
For those of you -- joining us are just joining us we are in the middle of a debate about a New York Times columnist Paul Krugman.
Blog post called the years of shame calling Bernie kerik Rudy Giuliani and George Bush -- euros in claiming that they -- to cash in on the horror.
What He now calls is an occasion for -- meaning 9/11 -- joining me Bradley -- former deputy assistant to President George Bush and Medea Benjamin.
Co-founder of code pink Brad I -- -- give -- the opportunity to respond to -- comments about how Giuliani.
It race to cash in on the horror and Mr.
Bush is in her words a war criminal.
And Rudy Giuliani gives inspirational speeches on leadership.
All over the world or all over this country.
He has a good message He has He has surely makes a lot of money so does Paul Krugman at the New York Times for spewing lies.
And cowardice allegations.
There's a big difference between split between telling the truth -- getting paid for it and telling lies are getting paid for.
I prefer getting paid for telling the truth.
And the fact is that Paul Krugman as a as a safe job.
Added -- institution that is more.
And it showed on -- on a commemoration.
Where we should be bringing the country together -- -- -- support but that's the difference between the two.
Let me ask you about an -- because some of the criticism of -- is that.
Number one is -- points out He -- -- allowing it to be comment He just made the post and you close the blog for comments claiming quote it should be for for obvious reasons but secondly.
Why do this son on 9/11 on the ten year mark of 9/11 -- we even saw.
The menu call war criminal President Bush on the -- platform as our current president president Barack Obama and a day of unity.
Look at these two men and their wives are -- -- -- former First Lady trying to bring people together for a day of healing.
What a different approach Paul Krugman talk.
I think -- Paul Krugman has opened up a dialogue look we're on the show talking about it.
And -- open a dialogue where all this -- He wanted to -- likely would have allowed on the way to honor those who died on 9/11.
Is to stop the war is to bring the troops home to close the over 800 bases we have around the world.
Where we shouldn't be to use our military to defend us here at home.
And use the savings to rebuild America that would honor those who died on 9/11 you know -- clearly known was able to comment.
In response to pregnant at least not on his New York Times blog yesterday.
But does anyone listen to this guy about things like this obviously when He speaks in the economy people do listen does anyone care what He thinks on an issue like this is He having an impact.
Yes He will have an impact unfortunately.
He writes -- -- internationally known.
Paper certainly no grey lady what she used to be but yes there's -- there's a big following look at each.
Did I -- that our message and they says -- his editor should somebody have stepped in in the times and said you can say what you wanna say that's at the first amendment's all about but you're not gonna say that on 9/11 the tenure -- Have absolutely.
The and I'm you product undecided over custody and the freedom these photos of a newspaper to spew hate and -- this is just the wrong thing to do its.
Downright un American go ahead -- -- -- don't believe in freedom of expression in fact that's unfortunately one of the things that has been suffering.
Post 9/11 I say it's time to rededicate ourselves to.
Our bill of rights and our constitution what do you think something you can donation you can don't madam -- -- Not taking comments on his blog do you approve that kind of activity.
Krugman has opened up a dialogue whether it's on is blogger I can't answer -- question enough you can afford right now -- you open up the dial lot of by refusing to allow comments to a very.
Controversial blog entry.
He made a very courageous statement and now the entire country is talking about your band just cutting edge yeah.
It is people like you obviously don't believe in freedom of expression of my theory and I -- -- a bit manages Canada's hearing -- accusing Brad not allowing freedom of expression.
And you're defending a man He wouldn't allow that expression on the very blog post that started the conversation how do you justify that.
A -- -- put out his thoughts and now we're discussing that -- guest is now saying.
He should be fired for putting out his thoughts I think that's -- terrible -- -- reflection.
On this gentlemen's.
Idea of what the bill of rights is all about and let -- know.
It's 80 yeah you agree with Paul Krug -- or you don't and He doesn't want to hear any disagreement.
On his post so he's not going to allow anybody to have any comment you gotta do it in another forum.
You you believe in that kind of activity from somebody -- supposed to be a journalist.
I believe that putting forward an important expression.
That post 9/11 ten years later we are no safer thing that people -- -- 9/11 to justify -- as we shouldn't DN.
That -- let me say this start talk let me say I sincerely regret -- got out -- -- -- the men and women who were in uniform fighting for us today are fighting for the for the right for you to -- this kind of nonsense.
-- what will have an added that we're gonna have played I got this and I thank you both.
-- allowed time for the debate.
Both points in both both of you able to make the points you want and I appreciate you doing that here Brad Medea all the best you -- Thanks for having --
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