Excessive Force Used at Wall Street Protest?
Did NYPD go too far at 'Occupy Wall Street' demonstration?
- Duration 7:17
- Date Sep 26, 2011
Did NYPD go too far at 'Occupy Wall Street' demonstration?
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-- -- is back in session on the docket today chaos when cops show up to scatter a protest.
-- -- Hasina Saturday in lower Manhattan.
Hundreds of demonstrators rallying against -- Wall Street claiming the world's financial nerve center is responsible for economic inequality in America.
But signs and slogans turned to screams and scuffles when the NYPD unleashed pepper spray on the crowd.
Dozens were arrested actually more than eighty folks were arrested -- the folks who caught that pepper -- say police used excessive force.
But does the -- tell the whole story.
Let's ask our panel former prosecutor and now defense attorney Arthur right dial -- and defense attorney mark I -- our guys.
So now this group is saying that they were strong -- by the police that they had no business.
Unleashing the pepper spray on them what is his tee up that portion -- -- -- tell our viewers we got this tape.
From the people who claim that they were mistreated by the police so.
We didn't do the editing they did the editing -- taken and taken -- into consideration as you watch that's -- say it's not truthful just.
But the -- Let's watch it mark and you tell me what you see evidence of the police behaving inappropriately here with respect to these three women that's the crux.
And yeah it's.
We'll go ahead.
There's no way to tell I'm not gonna -- the police based upon this there's no way and I'm sure that.
We're going to hear testimony -- Let me I don't know how yet the let me let me tell you this and He got 85 people arrested.
One of these women let's say is that their I don't know whether these it among erected there -- fact they come do you they say.
I not only was I not behaving in a disorderly way as police are now accusing Evan charging me wet but the police were in that quote exceedingly violent this is their defense.
How do you make that case what does -- defense attorney take do with that video how do you make that argument.
First thing I do as I say.
Where's the other video and you know what -- -- all day have been looking at other video more compelling than this one woman who is literally drag from the sidewalk.
Like a sack a potatoes for about fifteen feet.
I'm not saying that all cops made a mistake here nor am I saying that this whole globe somehow subject to excessive.
Violence or -- but there are instances clearly where individual cops stepped over the line.
Maybe not necessarily in this video of this doesn't -- so represent at all I would look at all the video and -- -- -- available online.
-- and we actually have the video of the woman being dragged -- let's take a look at that.
Because this too.
-- -- -- -- -- Any defense that -- -- -- -- -- Right see that's worth of people here she is getting dragged away and you know what they're gonna do they aren't going to go after the NYPD.
Credit if -- carriages in.
-- -- What we don't know is why it happened with two seconds before that -- started that woman reached for police officer's gun.
I would I would argue that if somebody thought that she reached for police -- gun.
Then their their actions were absolutely appropriate did she speak.
In that lieutenants based on that captain's face.
Then I would argue that their actions were totally appropriate -- thousands and thousands and thousands of people down there have been eighty Iraq.
Eighty arrests -- of thousands -- thousand that if she's.
That into law enforcement officers face.
That would be it battery on a law enforcement officer but no word Emanuel does that -- -- say when placing under arrest.
Regardless of what it's for let's now change the facts let's grab her and drag her fifteen -- -- -- -- doesn't deserve it that's it she did it.
But you don't have.
Different methods of arrest based on what OK my mind.
Do you think if you think again we don't have the real audio and a real clean -- that you I didn't.
That's about it don't you think he's a man could you please turn around a cliche hands behind your back could I'm not -- police -- under -- and -- in my face.
Does it seem like that was the kind of person in those circumstances who would have -- to his orders good that's the -- -- all.
Arthur what -- -- what about the first video we -- with the orange -- they're trying to -- the people the police say look they were blocking pedestrian traffic and they were blocking vehicle traffic.
And we were trying to corral them so that traffic to go through and try to sort of maintain a sense of order.
Now -- see that then then I guess the pepper spray happens right there at the women go down.
Aren't there I don't know I -- women screaming it it's like they've been shot in the face now as I've -- of pepper -- in the face but.
I I was going to be argument that -- -- that they're being overly dramatic they're playing it up for the team.
And that very well maybe the fact it's just so hard.
Can tell by these videos you know it's interesting that when you look a lot -- The police shot a lot of their own video you -- NYPD officers were officially.
-- what's going on to prove that they're not using excessive force.
Mayor Bloomberg was on the radio saying that these people -- not have the proper permits to do so and that act although they have a right to protest they do not have a right to prevent also right -- -- up from getting to the courthouse.
Good they blocked these.
Street which leads to the courthouse when the police allowed to use pepper stray what what circumstances would -- -- those women.
Well I can't think of every situation it's gentleman on the circumstances.
But certainly certainly not when someone's on a sidewalk.
Exercising their -- feel much better like finishing against.
Let's say these women and I don't know what -- cases but what -- were pushing against the orange -- a candidate assailant in the case.
-- Bill Clinton does the the the police have some sort of potential defense in saying.
They've laid hands on me you know I I don't I'm not relegation to let them lay hands on me and I didn't wanna push back -- -- the -- -- would be more effective.
Absolutely sounds like a reasonable use of it if they're not gonna again and a great alternative to using a Billy club -- are more serious weapon on them.
Sure it just depends actually what they did and I don't know we don't have a tape.
But some of these people.
Look on the sidewalk.
Yelling even outrageous and offensive and should not have ever been talked.
And ultimately -- people should know about the NYPD -- he's feeling guy in the white shirt making arrests in the NYPD that's at least the rank of lieutenant.
Not even a sergeant -- lieutenant.
Or captain or inspected -- that most experienced.
Most of the the -- but the most longevity on the force are in the middle of this.
I mean Ray Kelly said his eighteen out there.
You make it to prevent an economy -- I think they did the bare minimum that they had to do to maintain control of the situation for all the rest of -- -- out there who are affected by this.
And an event there at eight event where all week and they were looking for publicity they they got it in the end Arthur mark thank you both thank you look at -- our viewers people.
Contests -- Locklear at the core of our rights as Americans disorderly conduct blocking traffic assaulting a police officer to not qualify as peaceful if that's what happened here.
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