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-- -- -- -- a lieutenant colonel Tony Shaffer joins us from Washington to talk about Pakistan we -- we're actually just recently talking about Afghanistan you can't talk about Afghanistan.
And and and exclude Pakistan and in the question is how much can we trust Pakistan and that has been an issue that has been ongoing for a very long time.
Can we trust Pakistan.
No you have to understand.
This is the issue that we continue to misunderstand.
We've talked about Barbara -- before operation our current look I knew beyond a shadow of doubt -- 03 so did the US government but the pakistanis were helping.
That Connie network and insinuate itself back and Afghanistan and in this is where we've had a policy of wishful thinking.
So I agree with what the comments is that you're you're I guess there -- -- remembers him coming -- but.
I was saying about yes got about getting out you know the bottom line is we become the issue when we were there -- -- we were the bad ass is taking care business we -- the right either because we were wrong.
Now we become the caught occupiers and the target.
The bottom line is this the real issue for that region is the Pakistan India Cold War.
And as long as we don't accept that reality we will continue to be the ones bloodied our kids are going over there.
And they can't -- for two reasons first the rules of engagement.
Don't allow them to actually fight.
I've heard horror stories from.
People going on over there -- general will testify in front of congress -- -- -- his latest last month that where everything is fine it's insane secondly and more importantly as long as it's safe havens exist in Pakistan.
Where any number that Connie network to have money or group -- The could assure -- Mullah Omar as long as they can retool and not an NB unfettered in their access to weapons and training.
That we will never -- in Afghanistan so the issue has always been and will continue to beat Pakistan -- the bottom line is this for me.
Get out now -- about 40000 folks behind most of what your special operations folks so we become the most bad -- -- underground.
And make sure that they cannot use that -- is a safe haven to launch a terrorist operations and frankly most of their every attack.
Has been planned in some form from Pakistan not Afghanistan.
Okay but let me ask you how much do the two countries need each other Pakistan and the United States for financial assistance and international support because.
That's the question you know we we talk about and the United States.
Lending Afghanistan -- many think that we should split what about in Pakistan prime minister there have alluded to both countries' mutual -- for each other both financially.
Ahead and international.
We we about that argument I think in our own parent.
Let's face it the one of the reasons that that that Lawton was.
Or He was that my judgment and I believe that intelligence will come to -- to show this over one has revealed a few blocks from what I hear.
The pakistanis -- didn't -- to keep us engaged that the money would keep coming.
Now think about that couple what kind of friend actually want you you know to to hide your enemy mortal enemy -- you keep paying so I think -- have an.
-- and also added it would sit back collect that money as our soldiers are dying like trying to find him pretty well.
Exactly now they try to play the China card against -- I'm saying it all okay so what you know what I think we should look at playing the India card because the Indians.
At this point on having a very robust democracy they're moving into the first world and I think we have a look at what's practical here I think the pakistanis -- as far more than -- then didn't that we need them however that the while cart obviously isn't nuclear weapons.
And this is something we have to consider very carefully and another -- we move forward.
OK so then what happens.
In the future -- you're saying that that we should pull out of Afghanistan.
What what what are we doing in Pakistan.
Well not about I think we have to look at realistically what we have to do to do two things first stop.
Neither side trusts the other that's a given and it's something we have to figure a way forward into the the path to victory in my book talks about some suggestions I have here's the things we did you're more -- actually build consensus to do things together.
We've not done that.
Secondly and more importantly we have to make it very clear.
-- that we will act.
Alone if necessary if our national security interests are threatened by something that pakistanis are either doing or not doing.
We will act we've not made that clear except for the bin -- right they're talking about it now I think frankly I don't think the Pentagon is serious about it I think it's a political play by the White House to.
To basically being -- to say see it's our fault that Afghanistan is going -- it's their fault I put that said we've got to be prepared and have a realistic threat to go with saying we will do is that the -- we have to I --
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