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But the chairman of the house oversight committee Republican Darrell -- says he will issue more subpoenas to the Justice Department as soon as this week.
Investigating what the attorney general knew and what he did not know about the botched federal gun running -- called operation fast and furious.
This in the wake of an angry letter.
From attorney general holder to congress on Friday in which he made clear for the first time.
That he claims he did not know about the operation at all.
Until the spring of 2011 that was a question -- and yell about -- he said he knew about it the controversial aspects.
In April of 2011 now he's saying I didn't even know what the operation.
And -- April 2011.
But that still could be very problematic for mr.
Now if we assume for a moment he didn't know the question is is he competent.
If in fact a Border Patrol -- been murdered 2000 weapons -- gone this program has.
Completely gone off the rails.
Why didn't he know.
Julian Epstein is the former counsel for the House Judiciary Committee and Darryl I think I should be clear doesn't accept attorney general's statement that he didn't know he he believes he did know that he missed lit led congress when he said he only found out.
April Tony Levin but you're -- you saw him.
If we accepted at face value and he didn't know about this botched gun running operation which.
We we gave guns of the bad guys got an Arizona thinking we would track them back to the really bad guys and then arrest them.
In fact what we wound up doing was just arming the awful bad guys and with no good results.
If anything if you except that he didn't know he's also what a bad position that's no excuse right does he have a point.
He does have a point because how does the attorney general of the United States not know that the United States is running guns.
And the impact that that project.
Is going to have fast and furious was obviously a major undertaking.
And the idea that the attorney general of the United States did not know that this project was under way.
And was not informed of the problems and difficulties and issues that work if it being encountered as it was being implemented.
Commodity attorney general of the United States now he's got to a dual problem here Megan and got -- -- set a -- number one if he did not know.
How could you not know you're the attorney general United States.
And that if you didn't know you were notified back in July of 2010.
-- -- tell congress you knew a few weeks before.
The actual hearing before congress so something's not right here and it's serious either way it goes.
And I think I said last week on some broadcasts that you know I think it was simmering and hurt and and in the Washington -- a five or six.
I think it's going up to it and an eight really quickly and I don't know what they're gonna do to try to get back down to -- -- but I think they've got some real exposure serious exposure in the attorney general has a lot of explaining to do.
Unfortunately it looks like he's going to be doing it through subpoenas.
-- -- Eric Holder can on this letter and said look I didn't know I didn't know what the operation I get lots of memos.
I'll put -- above the -- on the screenings -- look at it lots of -- he says I do not and cannot read them cover to cover here no issues concerning fast and furious were brought to my attention.
Because the information presented in the report did not suggest a problem -- this is.
-- -- this is way it works for both.
Attorney Republicans and Democrats in the DOJ -- a lot of information on Esther reed did all right but what I think he would be saying now is.
Okay fine in nobody even though mammals -- are we talking generally about operation that's very easy to be saying.
But in December of 2010 -- had a Border Patrol agent died.
And these guns that we lost track of were we're used in that murder.
Of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry December 2010.
So how could it be that you the attorney general didn't know.
That we lost 2000 guns that have -- an American Border Patrol agent died December 20 attend it wasn't until April 2011.
That you finally did you found out about this operation.
Well it's a couple things Megan first of all nobody -- this program I think everyone would agree that this was probably not an ill conceived and -- program.
Secondly this program was started under the Bush Administration under operation wide receiver third -- -- -- was briefed about this program a talking about attorney general fourth let me come to that point fourth.
It is true the attorney general runs.
And it is is and in the Justice Department has thousands of investigations.
There's no conceivable way that he can stay abreast of all of the details of each of -- and I.
Mary do you really I think regularly under our jurors will -- hand him that -- -- -- the -- with the younger agreeing with you I just lottery focus you because.
I think you're right I think our viewers will give the attorney general that.
Benefit of the doubt but the question how can he not know that's what -- as saying.
About 2000 guns being given the bad guys in the -- and Brian -- Murder in December 20 -- right and no one could argue are.
Are also make the case given that the bush administration and -- program as well but the fact of the matter is the memos that he got in 2010.
None of them indicated that there had been gone what they called.
-- -- -- -- -- You're not that I'm a little beyond that I didn't you all that I -- I -- know about Julian I'm giving you all of that OK let you know he would debate forward we'll let a total inform but that's now under generally -- That's how -- -- attorney general just listen I I think I'm answering it Megan.
Obviously you're not that you're not you're not and -- -- getting a way to get ready if you ask a question and you wait and let your -- again.
As attorney general Eric Holder says that none of the earlier memos just pointed out.
That the bad stuff about operation -- -- and that he didn't even read them so he didn't know about the operation at all.
What -- is now asking -- okay that's fine well alrighty let's let's -- let's assume that's true why in December of 2010.
When an American Border Patrol agent she wound up dead at the hands of one -- two of these guns one or two of these guns.
Why didn't you make it a point to find out that how could you not known at that point about operation that's appears and why you're all right -- it's you know a question -- -- I understand -- in the middle of answering that okay the reason for that is that the reason the way in which an attorney general would normally get informed about something of that like -- In December -- would be the lower than they do the folks the lower down on the front by the deputy life.
A memo the deputies orbiting that would provide a memo up to the attorney general there's no evidence of the attorney general -- -- about that had any indicate.
If you look at JJ why they do that why did you let it play again I although -- normally I'd and we don't know what memo quell political and that -- gradually it it's really simple.
-- and the fact of the matter is this.
If the attorney general was not notified that a border agent was killed at the hands of weapons -- came out of the United States government.
Two Mexican drug cartels its malfeasance to not know that or not being -- by your deputies society needs to go here either it's the attorney general or the deputies but that's -- serious.
How about the attitude regarding -- and that's going to admit it is making up.
Jake that's a different -- in that point I'm making is making I think it is a legitimate question that you would make a racing which is we should find out.
Why that information didn't get another -- now but there is no indication whatsoever that the attorney general had any of that information from a -- or -- or otherwise.
Did the system breakdown -- not getting automatic imagine but now I realize it I totally totally got its ranks somebody who sent the memo.
You think somebody who sent the memo July 5 2010.
To the attorney general about this project might have come back in December -- said.
OKMR attorney general there's another problem here this problem is we've had a border agent killed at the hands of one of those weapons that we supply to -- Mexican drug cartel that is going to be a significant issue you need to know about it it's hard for me to believe that that cannot happen and if it did not.
It does not absolve the attorney general it -- -- offices dysfunctional I don't think there -- any evidence that it did happen but I think that that -- that the attorney general did get that information but I would agree with you today.
The attorney general should have had that information on around the time.
That that did occur I would.
Our viewers know a bit bit -- -- the operations that were.
Doing SAT FDA.
All within the department justice it's not like this hand over here was doing all the stuff the DOJ is or your -- these are with India OJ treasury I mean they're Eric Holder that part of popular either -- now it didn't do the right thing or somebody beneath him really.
Didn't serve him well maybe -- have.
Really -- soprano regularly I have is that the Treasury Department.
Okay BDF -- our news media to render the front door Frederick.
Big Treasury Department was not doing this on their own you know the Department of Justice we got memos from the Department of Justice -- they were involved in this I worked for treasury -- luckily for a minute when while you re going to have to.
That's well that it's look at fact of the matter drug enforcement they look at the -- -- justice I don't finally I don't -- -- -- the treasury.
Okay now they're covered jelly -- upset people so quickly Julian and Jay and I -- I got to upgrade your AT art department of treasury it's DEA at the department of justice and I think.
Give me again the in this the superb attorney that he -- would be the first to concede that there's no way in the world the attorney -- -- know the details.
Of thousands of investigations of these two agencies could be out jointly by to visit one of a thousand noticed is that this is an investigation that had unfortunately real consequences.
And we did that Border Patrol agent the attorney general should have been notified if it wasn't that's malfeasance itself saying I -- I've been notified thank you both so much I appreciate.
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