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But the chairman of the house oversight committee Republican -- Liza says He will issue more subpoenas to the Justice Department as soon as this week.
Investigating what the attorney general knew and what He did not know about the botched federal gun running sting called operation fast and furious.
This in the wake of an angry letter.
From attorney general holder to congress on Friday in which He made clear for the first time that He claims He did not know about the operation at all.
Until the spring of 2011 that was a question when -- yell about -- He said He knew about it the controversial aspects.
In April of 2011 now He stated you know what the operation.
And -- April 2011.
But that still could be very problematic for mr.
Now if we assume for a moment He didn't know the question is is He competent.
If in fact a Border Patrol -- been murdered 2000 weapons have gone this program has completely gone off the rails why didn't He know.
Julian Epstein is a former counsel for the House Judiciary Committee and Darrell ice I should make clear doesn't accept attorney general's statement that He didn't know ET believes He did knowing that He missed lit led congress when He said He only found out.
In April Tony Levin but you're -- you saw him.
If we accepted at face value and He didn't know.
About this botched gun running operation in which we we gave guns to the bad guys down in Arizona thinking we would track them back to the really bad guys and then arrest them.
In fact what we wound up doing was just arming the awful bad guys and with no good results.
If he's saying if you except that He didn't know he's also what a bad position -- that's no excuse right does He have a point.
He does have a point because how does the attorney general of the United States not know that the United States is running guns into Mexico.
And the impact that that.
Project is going to have fast and furious was obviously a major undertaking.
And the idea that the attorney general of the United States did not know that this project was under way.
And was not informed of the problems and difficulties -- issues that work if it being encountered as it was being implemented.
C'mon -- the attorney general of the United States now he's got a dual problem here.
Megan and got -- -- -- set -- -- number one if He did not know how could you not know you're the attorney general the United States.
And then if you didn't know.
You were notified back in July of 2010.
Why did tell congress you knew a few weeks before.
The actual hearing before congress so something's not right here and it's serious either way it goes and I think I said last week on some broadcasts that.
You know I think it was simmering and -- and and in the Washington -- around -- five or six I think it's going up to it and an eight really quickly and I don't know what they're gonna do to try to get back down to a two but I think they've got some real exposure serious exposure and the attorney general has a lot of explaining to do.
And fortunately -- looks like he's going to be doing it through subpoenas.
-- and Eric Holder came out this letter and said look I didn't know I know what the operation I get lots of -- up what -- above the -- -- the screenings -- look at get lots of medals He says I do not and cannot read them cover to cover.
Here -- no issues concerning fast and furious were brought to my attention because the information presented in the report did not suggest a problem of this is this is true this is way it works for both.
Attorney Republicans and Democrats in the DOJ can a lot of information not necessarily -- -- all right but what ice is seen to be saying now is.
Okay finds in nobody even though mammals what your -- talking generally about operation investors He seemed to be saying.
But in December of 2010 you had a Border Patrol agent died.
And these guns that we lost track of were were used in that murder.
Of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry December 2010.
So how could it be that you the attorney general didn't know.
That we lost 2000 guns that have -- an American Border Patrol agent died December 20 attend it wasn't until April 2011.
That you finally did you found out about this operation.
Well obviously a couple things Megan first of all nobody defends this program I think everyone would agree that this was probably not pay an ill conceived and -- to program.
Secondly this program was started and of the Bush Administration under operation wide receiver.
Third German -- was briefed about this program a talking about attorney general fourth let me come to that point fourth.
It is true the attorney general.
Runs -- is is and in the Justice Department has thousands of investigations.
There's no conceivable way that He can stay abreast of all of the details of each of -- and I.
Mary do you really I think.
Drudge arsenal wary of him that I'll do it and -- with younger agreeing with you I just -- -- -- you because I think you're right I think our viewers will give the attorney general that.
Benefit of the doubt but the question is how can He not know this what ice is saying.
About 2000 guns being given the bad guys in the -- -- the Bryan Terry.
Murder in December 20 -- right and no one could argue are also make the case given that the Bush Administration -- authorize this program as well.
But the fact of the matter is the memos that He got in 2010.
None of them indicated that there had been gone what the called.
You on accident analog it -- -- I don't -- that I did you all that I would I didn't get about Julian I'm giving you all of that OK -- you know He would debate forward.
Well let that's home to inform but that's how -- -- general I guess that's how things just call that an attorney general just listen I I think I'm answering it Megan.
Obviously you're not that you're a you're not anything in any always given you if you ask a question -- wake of what your -- again.
Let's assume as attorney general Eric Holder says that none of the earlier memos this pointed out that the bad stuff about operation that's imperious and that He didn't even read them so He didn't know about the operation at all.
What ice is now asking is okay that's fine -- alrighty let's let's have let's assume that's true why in December of 2010.
When an American Border Patrol agent she wound up dead.
At the hands of one or two of these -- one or two of these guns why didn't you make -- a point to find out then how could you not known at that point about operation that's appears and why.
You're all right all right -- a general question Megan Megan I understand the question -- was in the middle of answering that okay the reason for that is that the reason the way in which an attorney general would normally get informed about something of that like that.
In December and would be.
The lowered the that is the folks -- -- on the front line to detonate live.
A memo the deputies orbiting that would provide a memo up to the attorney general there -- no evidence that the attorney general knew about that had any indicate.
Can't do that look at JJ why didn't they do that why -- you let me play again I although it normally I believe we don't know what their local allpolitics my clients okay that.
Okay gradually it yeah it's really simple.
-- and the fact of the matter is this.
If the attorney general was not notified that a border agent was killed at the hands of weapons that came out of the United States government.
Two Mexican drug cartels its malfeasance to not know that or not being won by your deputies so somebody needs to go here either it's the attorney general or the deputies but this is serious how to that's a different burning oil and -- -- -- -- making -- Jake that's a different point and that point -- -- is making I think it is a legitimate question that you would make a racing which is we should find out why that information didn't get another mine now.
But there is no indication whatsoever that the attorney general had any of that information from a -- more -- or otherwise.
Did the system breakdown but not getting automatic imagine that -- I realized it -- -- got its ranks somebody who sent the memo.
You'd think somebody who sent the -- July 5 2010.
To the attorney general about this project might have come back in December instead OKMR attorney general there's another problem here this problem -- we've had a border agent killed at the hands -- one of those weapons that we supply to a Mexican drug cartel that is going to be a significant issue you need to know about it it's hard for me to believe that that cannot happen -- it it did not it does not -- the attorney -- it means -- offices dysfunctional I don't think -- -- any evidence that it did happen but I think that that -- that the attorney general did get that information but I would agree with you today.
The attorney general should have had that information on around the time that that did occur I would.
Our viewers know that that -- did the operations that were.
Doing this ATF and DEA those are all within the Department of Justice is not like this hand over here -- doing all the stuff in the DOJ is over here.
-- -- these are with India OJ treasury I mean an area Eric Holder that part of hostile either -- -- didn't do the right thing or somebody beneath him really.
Didn't serve him well yeah we all agree that.
Up front now regulated by -- is that the Treasury Department.
Okay BDF it's -- news media that under the -- our work our treasury.
Big Treasury Department was not doing this on their own you know the Department of Justice we got memos from the Department of Justice -- they were involved in this I -- for treasury -- luckily for a minute when -- -- partly that's what's that's.
Well that it's look at fact of the matter drug enforcement -- -- -- justice I don't know why the iPod -- environment treasury OK now there.
Alcatel which are -- get upset people so quickly doing NN day and I got to upgrade originally ATR department of treasury it's DEA at the department of justice and I think.
Give it to get beyond this is the superb attorney that He is would be the first to concede that there's no way in the world the attorney general's don't know the details.
Of thousands of investigations of these two agencies -- -- jointly by to visit one of a thousand notices that this is an investigation that had unfortunately.
Real consequences and we -- -- that Border Patrol agent the attorney general should have been notified if He wasn't that's malfeasance itself.
-- -- it's not been notified thank you both so much I appreciate.
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