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-- with our next two guests here sitting to my right immediate right is ambassador Tina -- -- -- deputy permanent.
Represented for the permanent mission of Norway to the US -- live.
-- -- -- And there as well as mister Gerald -- -- He is the Secretary General general for the world organization against torture.
An -- and wouldn't you guys are here for developing -- is that the topic is -- is that human rights defenders.
Are more than ever at risk so it it it can disclaim Tina and I think that would I better get.
-- so what is your greatest concern or fear right now is it as it pertains to this topic.
Well these are the people that -- up for all the people's rights around the world but.
-- human rights are endangered they promote and protect the rights of others and we think that it's very important to give them the civility and support their work.
By making them.
-- -- for everybody my quiet going in and looking at the project they're -- and making sure that their lives are safe because scenario from the new.
Take that didn't -- them tonight some others say.
You pick your own life and on campus life in danger and then we support of the Clinton -- he's hunting season skiing and happy to be great support these kids at this.
Lawrence -- Monday.
And then maybe.
Jenkins -- from a two point because that's really something -- -- being part of sport.
I think it really documents that the individual cases and the patents that you see when people speak about our rights that we in countries like the US -- Europe.
Find totally normal to speak of all the people shouldn't be talk talk.
-- -- people shouldn't be discriminated.
For violence against woman needs to be addressed.
And in many countries around the welcome this report this radeon alarming sense of in many countries around the world.
This very basic.
Activity is it is this very risky and you have.
Many cases where you might just send us a threatening weapons arrest -- -- detained arbitrarily and -- in impunity that yes revered try to take people into your rights are being violated in and the societies they suffer.
If you have a society where somebody come to claim the -- a father son and say.
-- needs to be protection.
But you can't go on the streets without being repressed.
-- -- -- terribly chilling effect so we all have an interest to protect these people.
And if you look back in our -- societies who stood up for rights in the last 1020 years -- -- -- rights -- They created this look so vibrant democracy that we have today so what sort of protection are we talking about I mean.
Part of what you're saying anything is there some sort of legal protection you want -- You know security forces to be with the people how does this work and who would pay for it is of course -- always -- down to budget.
At the end of the day.
Well for -- legally and support organizations like like adults who who go in and creates communities for these groups or people but that's but those things that you've also worked -- over embassies around the world that.
By and going to make things life a little individuals -- me -- that music and -- in jail and Beijing opens up with a bill that actually keeps them and I.
And we -- visit them in jail it's because they are countries that.
Don't want people fear highlighting the human atrocities that are taking place so the people who they're trying to protect the innocent people and those who are suffering.
Then perhaps they are you know maybe they went to -- as well there.
I think this is something we see very often.
Those who actually address that question for -- government the question of accountability for CS.
-- -- -- like Paulson like disappearances that they directly threatened because of the work they do.
And coming back to your question what can be done I think them anyways but I think it's very important that we break the isolation that.
Those regimes tried to build -- these people and very often.
Speaking about an individual case having -- national attention.
Can have a very important protective -- and of course governments like Norway adults the United States have a -- -- take.
In addressing those issues.
What's -- Oklahoma City they they have leverage also wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't specifically thing.
Well I think it's they can raise individual pieces they cannot self trials they can be present they can address the issue and and I think.
There -- many ways and which we can all.
Contribute to better protect.
And that's where it's gonna go Tina because I think that would.
You know the minute you say a -- the United States -- the government did Sweden.
The -- Norway needs to get in an -- and be more involved.
And sometimes that makes people kind of go over here we go again another you know government involvement -- then you -- the point Jerrold.
About getting people involved and so I wanna go to social networking that's social networking with a very strong.
In the distance to bringing people together and organizing the uprising to move that -- -- spring.
How much would you rely on getting the people involved.
Through social network.
-- at most one of the most important tools that have they and it has changed immensely the last.
Then -- the fact that they do have picture and FaceBook and more couples that make people need to be touched Andy's hit the ball.
Among -- is about engagement and we Begin -- -- government.
Don't think engaged in these organizations individuals can engage by looking up by performing individual cases they meaning.
The -- can can participate in June He would contribute to change -- So then how old Tina how do you make it accessible and -- were talking about social networking it could give me some web sites or at least one.
Central place where you can go to get information.
Well as the stuff you could go to the -- of the world organization against -- WW.
-- -- -- double -- get all of the organization.
With which we have done the report the international federation for human rights.
But I think the social networks is really something that has proven.
And if anything it has proven how often it can be right and falsely what we see as well is that government -- -- Also reacting and they also trying now to just a -- through more control on social media -- -- -- and I think that's another area where we have to -- quite vigilant.
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