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And welcome back a spirited debate over that people love the person of Jesus Christ is a teacher of love a benevolent being who's.
Layup line should be followed but anti -- a world announced biblical scholar and minister says.
That for centuries Christians have avoided the huge world shaking challenge and Jesus central claim.
And as a result the kingdom of god -- -- reduced to a private piety.
Doctor Wright reveals his findings in his new book simply Jesus a new vision of -- he was what he did and why he matters and doctor -- -- I could do feel good being with your -- thank you so much for joining us.
What can we really understood the claims in Jesus that we would discovered are much more Marjorie the larger and -- much word disturbing.
Notion that we.
And imagine before.
I think so I think the last two centuries in the western world that the church Adams of western society as a whole -- kind of colluded to to diminish.
Wolf we now -- religion and religion becomes something that you and I do with also -- -- on Sundays or whatever we get together with other people to do it.
Bob that the -- of Jesus is this the came through Jesus this is something happened at that moment through which the world was transformed.
And the thing that happened was that -- basically took charge of the world in a new way.
And the and the best it would theocracy comes up again get people get -- -- about faster.
Feel sounds like mad to -- -- wont wont to do and threatening them if they don't.
The Jesus has this there's a new way of -- being kicked and it looks like this because I'm having parties and healing people except for.
But then he deals with the stuff that is getting in the way of -- being -- being king being in charge.
Ultimately through his -- and that that's.
Kingdom agenda which reaches its climax in Jesus death.
Means that from then on the world is in fact a different place.
And that if people will only sign on and believe and join in this movement and all sorts of things can happen which are much much bigger than just you -- me.
Getting all spiritual lives together and may be going to happen here often.
Wider implications -- in terms of politics and relationships French's do you -- these things.
Change then and this is not the way the a lot of the modern world likes to look at -- It exactly I think the -- will especially the last couple hundred years in your country and mine.
Have tended to say well the church can do its private thing teach people how to say that present whatever that's -- very well.
But we will actually -- -- the world hallway and frankly when you look at the way the western world is run things the last 200 years.
It's been very must disarm it's been disastrous for many people both in our -- countries under around the world and it may be -- people would be very glad to hear that.
Actually god is in charge and if we will get in tune with fast and things could be very different and very healing and very much more creative than we've allowed them to -- A lot of people a night you know -- religion wanna hear this from people while they want to knew Jesus as he teach world loves us and -- intro sort of benevolent being this is C.
The -- of -- you should follow and that's what Jesus brought us if -- citizens don't.
This is better than that no that's true but -- -- but it's not nearly enough.
Them when Jesus gave -- wonderful bookings we call will be attitudes blessed all the poor in spirit precedent amicus of the mourners mourn as a sort.
We have tended to privatize this economy to climb pure and often god will bless me.
But part of the pontiff -- -- attitudes is that when call blesses you this is not a new you -- through use in other words.
When god wants to change the world.
People say oh wow why doesn't god step -- and -- the whole coastal tsunami it would have.
When god wants to change the world he doesn't send in the -- he doesn't believe people.
He sends in the meek and the poor in spirit and the broken hearted and -- And say he changed the world and we've seen is an -- -- summit on Desmond Tutu in South Africa and as a man who was.
Really but couldn't completely crushed by the system and often was being opposed by the left on the rights and the same people didn't -- -- -- -- -- And through prayer and -- from -- he and others around him.
Radically transformed South Africa.
Who would've -- we would see the changes -- taking place that.
And there are many many other examples which often don't make headlines because the story doesn't fit with Walt.
The newspapers and so on regularly want to talk about with -- -- but actually people out there making an enormous difference transforming the world.
-- there is a conflict between the sort of that it historical Jesus and the Jesus of faith and I think it's an item.
I -- them micro level you can almost call it vs science persons related.
This -- well vs feel it's.
Experiencing because those -- nations -- precisely things which we invented in the eighteenth century and you'll society and mine have actually structured themselves around this -- this -- that.
Most of the world through most of human history.
Hasn't forced things a part in that way and I think it's time we -- put them back together again because.
God's creation is multifaceted.
But it isn't polarized like fast and so whether it's politics and religion most times and -- original.
Faith and history.
Actually they belong together and I don't believe in the separation of the -- -- -- -- in the -- to face.
The Christ that I believe in is that Jesus who walks and talks -- person to Palestine.
Of course rational honest historians can pontificate and say well we don't believe in miracles -- -- -- -- -- resurrection the whatever.
-- -- actually let's look at the evidence that's too probably his -- let's see what's going on that.
What -- he wouldn't say about the resurrection because a lot of people so what they are -- we don't believe in miracles that -- -- man could rise from the dead what was good what was the role would affect sex of course.
People knew that's in the first entry just as much as we do this is not a new scientific discovery and of people -- the first entry you just suppose we do the dead people that -- That he didn't have to have -- Aaron Russo and -- -- in order to prove that we knew that.
That the point about the resurrection is that in its own terms it's isn't a very -- defend twist in the old creation.
If -- the paradigm magic event that launches the new creation.
And that's the claim of christianity not computers and honesty moral teaching or here's a new way to get to have -- the whatsoever it's that god is actually doing something right that in the first entry.
To launch a project which you can cool new creation and he does it in them through Jesus and it bursts into the old creation which is constantly surprising -- With new possibilities is a new hope cities -- -- mattress saying.
Here's how -- creation -- can we fit the resurrection into that those as well.
That's -- rather difficult.
On the other hand the evidence for the resurrection even in those terms is remarkably good.
I have some resources at great length if you look at all the although options for how you explain the rise of christianity one by one they fall off the -- they just don't do it.
But if you say.
So opposing guard raised Jesus from the dead on the third day then all the other bits of evidence tossed around and say -- that makes sense.
And then the challenges.
Are you prepared to believe in and called who could do that and who would do us.
And you have to forget two thirds of the modern western world view.
Most in order to go back to some primo and worldview but to go on to the future -- -- is -- to -- to -- this right now.
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