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And these guys -- -- -- right when he did when he describes it in such -- -- -- next poll Obama will be a cyber attack.
Well he's not the only one describing it like that I mean you've got Richard Clarke and a whole host of other things coming out bit.
Really emphasize the damage that can be caused from the -- -- he's he's.
Using terminology that he's trying to make a point with but of course you've got the office of the current -- is active -- out well today.
Big report saying almost the same thing last week we just did a massive cyber.
Security policy group meeting with the EU.
And of course so there's this is sort of a consensus almost among policy makers but no one has a contestant on what to do.
So what do you believe the US government should do.
I think certainly.
Are welcome to take all of my suggestion and implement and immediately.
But certainly I don't think that's going to happen.
But in investing there investing very heavily in this area so when you see the Department of Homeland Security doing a hundred person.
Group meeting with any say over an -- that means that they're taking it seriously.
DARPA with -- that -- is investing massive massive amounts of money in building next generation defenses and offenses.
You're seeing you know all the armed forces look at it but he also saying private industry get involved and in this while they pretty much have to.
Now when we hand these figure is Dave all of millions upon millions of -- -- intended.
Incidents into like the Pentagon commuters every month of those things accurate because they just seems staggering.
Get a staggering and they're and they're not accurate right I mean.
And it's it's hard -- thing of things at incidents right there's no little tiny quantum package.
Of an incident here when you need to look at is.
The overall strategic picture and the reason you heard about cyber security in the Republican debates if you watch those couple days ago.
Was that this is now become an issue with jobs attached to people -- looking at it as an economic.
Issue how -- we counteract what many Americans see as cheating by other countries in terms of economic espionage -- -- around.
I know wolf it's a -- didn't greatest risk here is it any economic risk -- or is it.
The idea that.
Said cyber terrorists might hacking into our infrastructure.
Bring down not any G infrastructure -- perhaps bring down the banking system with which is the greatest risk as you see it.
The greatest risk is always something that you never in your -- -- predicted.
It's something you cannot plan for and that's I think why we have -- used the Pearl Harbor.
Analogies like we didn't expect this kind of attack there there was no way to plan and prepare for -- -- historically it's only half true.
And the reality of of what we model is that we model terrorist attacks on.
Things like power and and transportation and other things that we understand are vulnerable.
But the reality of what's really vulnerable and know what people -- really targeting may have nothing to do -- those things.
But if you look it WikiLeaks.
If you look at some of the other sort of it's things that have come out of the blue and then all of a sudden blown up to be very big they're not things that are simple like.
Someone took out of power grid there's things that that you could never have projected and that's really the big danger here that they're trying to get -- grip on is how they coordinate.
Maybe developed ones medications so when something unexpected happens they're not completely flat footed.
Now what about and what about some of the -- companies that have been hacked into Dave welcome welcome major companies do to protect themselves.
And this is where you -- -- a lot of the policy being driven from right -- was very explicit.
And that they had to take very large business changes -- account for cyber espionage.
And every other company if you look at the -- to report that just came out which Symantec released.
They were talking about how the chemical industry is being attacked as -- hole and all the trade secrets are being a -- from them.
They're having to develop a sort infrastructure policy all by themselves and they're looking -- the federal government for support.
You know these companies realistically against the nation state don't have a lot of defense and they don't want to have a lot of offense they don't see it as their job.
They would like to help the federal government take care that problem.
And that's where organizations like -- by an armed forces in the DHS come and apply and then -- How far behind know how up to speed -- depending which way you look at it.
In terms of dealing with this threat -- we -- we keeping pace with the threats or -- -- way behind.
In the general community you're seeing that the offensive teams.
Are are are much better tooled up and then your defense of teams if you're investing heavily in IDS is an anti virus is -- you're all waiting behind the scenes.
You know by the time something has acute naming your antivirus and get a -- for the threat has gone you're done new party lost the leaderships on the bottom of Pacific.
On the other hand getting the sort of defense is ahead of the game is where all -- investments pouring into.
That's where people are hoping that -- solve the problem and also why you see people saying.
Listen we're not gonna protect our our cyber area we're gonna literally bomb you if we noticed that you've done something that we think was damaging enough.
In the -- area.
But there's no reason that we should face on next poll hobble through a cyber attack if we do the right things now.
Which is usually what I would say if I wanted you to invest massive sums of money in it which were doing which is great but that.
That no one really knows where exactly the defense needs to be no one's got a very clear policy picture of we do these five steps.
And then we are going to be fine because that's that's simply not true.
It's it's definitely an exploratory process people are looking to.
Find the way -- and that's where these meetings are there's another.
Scheduled EU SEU meeting set for next year there was one last year has anyone every year until people are starting to feel safe which they definitely are not right now.
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