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Okay what I think is the more fun stuff and I can -- it okay you tell me how really met Herman Cain.
I think maybe 1819.
Threat first and some.
Yes they executed.
It was okay.
Just OK okay.
-- Just okay.
Hit it well what when -- the problem I mean I got this is okay is that and I got to I and they go okay Issa.
I think may -- at -- -- -- at the time and who is not okay whose -- iron right at that point Brett that he -- by the way he's had those.
So so her McCain is just OK okay he was he was nice.
But I wasn't.
Interested in meeting someone that where did you meet him gritty -- Hill this family his father -- a little neighborhood grocery store.
And Herman work parts and my thing doing college.
At the store.
I hit a very good friend from church.
Who happened to Leo down the street from -- the little grocery store.
And that we -- I think it was.
That's exactly what holiday week and that was with the -- My friend was having.
And she want me to stay overnight with that are so.
That particular day earlier in the day we were walking down the street she hit a letter to mail.
The mailbox was really across the street from this -- store.
So we are walking down the street.
And he's standing out on the corner.
In front of the store because there were no customers at that point with his hands in his pocket -- -- Happy go lucky.
And when my friend started to talk with him she say it I want you to meet my little -- -- And he wanted to know your little sister she sent you this this is the little sister -- -- and introduce you to.
She did that tail him she referred to me as -- little -- because I was a year younger than she wants.
So she just referred to me is her little -- but we were about -- saying crying you know saying -- and everything.
So he needs at that point became interest is so this -- little sister.
So he starts talking and I'm thinking.
Is he talking so my -- She introduced us we talked a little bit we went back to her house that night we -- but she hit party.
I was there -- -- -- I was introduced to.
-- -- affairs.
Who was already attending those -- I was about to start attending.
So I'm interested in talking with her and Herman is interested in talking with me it's like -- is he's been talking.
Why after he's just go away.
But he kept talking and he camp talking okay.
But the next year.
He will it.
Dropped by miners who if I saw -- -- ever sat at the periods as he.
-- -- -- I just he.
Overtime and and I denounced the -- weren't bad.
So -- he -- he was deliberately doing does it mean everywhere you included in the news out received interest in new.
Menu but I wasn't interested in.
And off and -- now.
But I think this went on for about a year.
And following year at Christmas.
I think -- and gave him my phone number he call.
We must have talked on the phone for.
And at that point.
Appreciated the personality.
He was Smart.
He always just -- at this laughing bubbly personality.
And I -- to -- more about you know.
I thought at one point he was.
-- -- -- That was one reason black Francis didn't want to be bothered with them.
But after talking with them for two hours on the phone it's like -- addressed and that ego that's more confidence.
Then he go.
And be at that point.
Say it a date.
To go to a movie and get something to be -- -- -- -- but we started dating.
But you wouldn't give -- a chance when -- was shown -- but the school you know.
So what happens.
It's pretty attractive for two hours on the phone.
-- some -- It was it was just different it with a very -- Conversation we talked about.
Any and everything it was just some nice conversation well I surplus our average price for an impressive is trying to talk to you are.
And didn't work it didn't work serves at first at -- -- first answers what ever happened in the boy from by the way.
Don't have clue I don't know what happens with a look at it was -- -- issue there was like a little period between the tip.
That was -- -- between -- -- because.
During -- following year.
I think that Portman with sexually -- -- from high school.
And I think we basically -- lost touch with each other so at that point.
I have wasn't dating -- And guess it was time so at this Christmas vacation time conversation did you think like.
Okay now I am really into this -- may get like -- man -- is he still have a probation well it was definitely still on probation and convince.
-- -- -- And maybe another year of -- They talk too much and I hear.
The -- different though it was different I -- to know the person more.
And it was different he was genuinely -- nice person.
I think he's spent more time at that point -- to impress my mother.
Because if you.
-- -- my -- -- that being.
You know viewers go.
Did she liked him right -- -- -- taker while.
She's like right away she liked -- him he.
Very -- he was very respectful.
He he was severe respectful to my mom.
-- -- get to the point.
Coming over about dinner Tenet and she would always ask -- Herman.
Which would like to have dinner with us and he's always loved to have dinner with us.
And he would always compliment her.
-- Milliken this blossom.
This was some -- it -- it shaken this -- feared that -- it wasn't anything elaborate.
But he always confident complimented her -- Her -- her cooking.
And she -- that because I don't think she got enough for -- but she loved you know she loved him.
Did your friends to prove they did their bottom -- -- they were firm.
What year was this.
-- -- we met in 64.
Now that's have been -- itself in some very different time that is now the area you and off to college.
Oh well what it actually.
Concern college right here in Atlanta so I was a commute -- -- they went to -- yep right.
I'm curious -- let's say sixteen.
That is a very different time and is now.
What if I'd asked you when you're sixteen what do you big doings in -- in the year 2011.
What would you have told me at the time to think.
What did what was your serve got a lot of young woman growing up in the south African American -- be doing.
Get a good job.
I have my who place.
In my own car that paying that everything must -- so.
I saw myself is trying to.
-- -- my own and be independent because I had always lived at home it's always hit the security of my mother.
But at this point I -- it should be totally on my own.
IA hand and one sister who was so patient passed way about two years ago.
I have learned a brother who's three years old.
-- At this point is just my brother and an hour.
-- they grew up in a slightly different time despite those years as a tougher time from.
You know than that I think the other things change so much.
Maybe not enough and fast enough that they did change in the south African Americans.
Did you -- they do in during the whole sort of civil rights movement.
Were -- in school did you get involved what was what was your thinking about it.
-- -- I was and that the type of person to actually be on the front land.
I don't think my mother would hand.
Permitted us to do that out of fear for us.
But I do remember that plans.
Who riding downtown on the plus.
Having to always go to the back of the firms are involved then I remember.
The water fountains once it -- and once -- YE.
But doing that -- and you just except that that that was the way things were because at that point I think that was the -- somewhat young.
But of rounds of sixties.
-- proved that it may be twenty to.
Win more of my generation was getting involved they are keen.
My mother was that I.
Who was afraid for us to be involved in something like that because of safety.
So I think we more so.
Read more so we understood it we agree with it but as far as being.
Physically out -- protest -- That wasn't something that we were permitted to do.
Can't -- -- -- meeting here illegally listen the idea thank.
Being forced to come at the back of the bus or having a different not colored -- -- talked.
And yet I can't even imagine if you know as a child is -- having to do that.
If that's what you know growing up.
You don't -- it's.
How insulting that -- at that point.
It was just something.
You accepted and you listen to your parents -- it.
-- you don't.
Make way eats you don't track to protest any thing it's just something that you accent.
At that point.
I think a lot of -- generation.
That was all we knew at that point that was you know we -- -- -- insulting that loss.
At that point.
And it was only later.
You'd be at half.
And with the marches that you understood more about.
That was just an insult to used to have to.
Always go to the back of the bus driver payments and he paid the same amount of money to -- -- -- -- everybody else.
I can imagine a white person sitting in the front watching a black person go to the back and that yet.
I can't I mean how horrible it is I would think for white people who watched the indignity of that and it's like.
Just so horrible.
It's -- it so astounding you know in this day and age.
And and there are still racism and sexism and all sorts of stuff that still goes on.
But it's just -- and in so.
Hobbyists and something so horrible.
-- -- -- think it in the it's hard to understand that well I.
Think in a way.
The white people were readies.
Doing that things that they would doing the way black people will raise.
To get on the bus and go to the back so.
I thank you just accepted it at that point it and that's just the way it -- I'm not sure a lot of white -- it's under -- it.
-- that was done.
They just did it also.
They need to sit in front in the back he is -- to go to the bank.
They just accept that -- it that growing.
Okay so I go back to the end romance was then Herman Cain we're gonna build their -- can accept.
The December phone call -- he talks a lot but this time it's okay.
And it isn't going over to your mother's house and he's playing his cards right I like you know say nice things -- -- And how soon after -- -- -- mean.
-- We hit.
Dated I think I loves.
-- -- -- -- junior in college he was listening.
At a different school -- it's -- he he was at a different school right.
I think he wasn't seeing there and I listen to something like that it.
So you're talking maybe.
Did you wonder like what's taking -- time -- hung out at my school salon when I was -- -- guru you know because and Arabs know that.
He also hit clients.
Finished move to get a good job so he hit -- We really didn't thinking in terms.
Just getting engaged in getting married it was just something that -- the wrist.
And I think with him.
He was about to leave thing.
Except the job in Virginia.
With the naval weapons plant and ice to hit a year.
A college to go.
-- that was doing it -- that we may be getting cage because we at that point we -- That we we want to be together we want it to be mayor.
He hit something to accomplish.
And I hit something to accomplish that I needed to finish college.
And he was trying to get settled and his career.
But I think we knew -- that thing remember him asking him.
-- -- I think it was like.
-- -- -- I think we -- -- out to dinner or something like that we've gone out to dinner.
And I think he -- -- caught me off guard.
Gave me this -- And its slide will you marry me is Michael -- But.
I really -- an expected.
I think I wasn't even -- and in terms of maybe he's gonna do -- gains from it -- or something like let's say it I -- -- in my life and he hit glance what feels like this it's just something that progress.
Sold that night he gave me an engagement ring and I remember going home and my mom -- sleep -- on the -- waking her up and saying it.
Herman asked me to marry him he gave me this friend and she looked at it.
And she's -- start this Mallon and she was she was really happy.
And then I think that went to bay it and I think she stayed up the rest of the night because she was.
So I decided it because it's like you know.
When -- what he really killed or did they think he really has -- bad he.
My mother was accountable heart person she did not trust -- back.
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