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Underneath here how concerned are you about the rising threat of China very 57%.
Are you troubled by Newt Gingrich's relationship with Freddie Mac.
No 57% right now.
We have our panel bill one and Charles.
Where the sold under a deal tomorrow first first on that.
-- secretary choose going to testify.
And he is this is what a lot of people have been waiting to hear they're all these emails including one this week uncovered that.
The administration pushed one of the investors that companies.
-- wondered too not announce job losses until after the mid term elections in 2010.
Back out front page Washington post's coverage.
What about this story and in this testimony and what secretary of you has to do.
And I understand -- issued -- statement -- he says it was all all my responsibility.
So if we if there's an -- to be taken he's gonna do it to prevented.
Headed all the way to the White House and -- the most -- or even the president or vice president.
Which I think is -- cabinet member ought to do from but it's clear -- this was a political deal from the beginning.
I mean it is no accident that -- in the major investors are people who knew the president.
They had denied there was any lobbying the White House and now the emails have shown -- there were there were discussions.
In the white house of this idea I thought the release.
I just yesterday or the day before.
Of this postponing the announcement of the layoffs until after.
Election may -- the email from one of the investors says that they have been pressured.
Instead of releasing -- announce on October the thirtieth.
They would there were told to hold it until November the -- and the email says oddly they did not explain the new.
-- is somebody was born yesterday.
And if you look at it sort of coldly in this is almost as perhaps even a violation.
You know -- may be some SEC rule because if you're an investor.
And you -- with and with information that will be important in deciding where you can stay with this enterprise or not is not released because of political.
Expediency I think it's it's at least unseemly at the.
Best I want seems like an uphill battle for this testimony tomorrow the White House has said that Republicans cherry picked emails and but there there there.
Mean so it -- account I -- from my perspective there was nothing illegal.
Done I mean yes they were playing politics.
Yes you can make even let let's connect the dots yes people who were contributors to the Obama campaign were also investors and Solyndra.
And they may have been putting calls in not only to the White House but to the energy department -- got their -- structured alone.
Yeah that the taxpayers didn't get out first which is the law as it's written so how note on how they restructured they were restructuring -- not just for Solyndra but for others in order to try to keep these firms these alternative energy firms afloat they're trying a very much affirmatively to say.
That these companies that are competing with firms are getting subsidies from China and other international government.
Are also going to be supported in this kind of fair point but they know they've had people on the board of -- they know the company's going downhill.
They know it's not doing well and they restructured the loan late in the game.
And put the taxpayers behind.
The mid level tier investors who happened to worry what Obama donors and now we know so far from the Obama people is that they were at points misled.
By the board they were given bad information.
By excellent whose boards they were misled and I -- you know look and maybe we'll find out differently tomorrow.
But that's what they've said so far.
That's ridiculous I mean because it is -- -- only just different just find politics that's ones like you're not supposed to play politics -- you're giving out grants and a competent competitive process.
According to congressional legislation for something like this you're supposed to give them based on the merits that's why we have.
All kinds of protections against political meddling and against the White House picking up the phone and saying give these people grants and I don't think -- I suspect secretary true.
Is pretty innocent here he was presided over the apartment he has -- serious about.
We energy and all this stuff meanwhile they put in a bunch of political operatives -- energy.
And that Obama donors.
And -- people who were dealt with their counterparts in the White House saw these email show in ways that I think are inappropriate -- I was in the -- -- twenty years -- -- -- -- -- -- we couldn't exchanged emails about particular grants to particular companies.
If someone came to -- when I -- the -- and I want to talk -- about his Energy Department grant.
-- company X or YE.
What isn't instinctive reaction was in the white -- -- -- today you can't there's.
You can't talk about a particular grant access to go through channels -- like it's inappropriate political interference south.
-- -- -- -- There's no difference between saying let's expedite this let's take advantage of that's what Rahm Emanuel chief of staff was saying.
We want to -- -- we want the vice president involved in a big way to take political advantage that's different.
Build -- saying approve this loan don't make a competitor when these people otherwise would not qualify I don't think that's well here's my.
Our -- people -- -- saying are you going to mention the President Obama.
Said that Hawaii is in Asia he did say that at press -- the other night.
He's also previously said that he doesn't speak Austrian.
And obviously that's not a language either I I guess this is reaction of the grapevine which we.
Pointed out that Herman Cain said how do you say delicious and Cuban which is.
And -- Spanish but he -- -- they were.
57 states -- going to present -- here -- yeah sure and that's fair and late today Herman Cain said.
The Republicans took over the house in 2008.
So the issue is again us.
Is it fair to point all these things out in -- candidate who.
Is now that that the microscopes on him and he seems to be making these -- sure we just paying attention to -- -- You know all right if if he were just to have gotten the year wrong.
Well the Republicans took over the house.
Two years off because obviously.
When you made -- live -- -- when you spend.
What is it 53.
Seconds trying to figure out.
Where -- -- is what Bolivia is why Obama I don't know what he was actually.
What was going around inside of -- McCain's head when he was asked about Libya.
What were well or alluded to confuse the confusions.
In the question.
Or in the issue that I think is is really the major liability and the larger issue is.
How he was in the debate through the -- on foreign affairs.
Over the weekend when he was simply lost he couldn't answer any questions.
And even today he said something like I don't have to know about.
Foreign policy I simply speak to my commanders on the ground well.
We don't have any troops or commanders on the ground in England or France or Indonesia you've got to have some idea of what.
Our policy is let's say the special relationship with the British.
If you're not -- -- would David Petraeus -- the chairman of the joint chiefs on that.
You have to have some idea and he sort of proudly.
And belligerent -- saying I don't have to know about this I'll leave it took to my commanders.
Calling -- Columbus says Obama slips are word never highlighted -- we.
Are equal opportunity slip -- mention owners on the grapevine.
About President Obama and Vice President Biden has had quite a few.
In his term in office Meredith asks where is Herman Cain he's in Florida.
I was in Miami and then West Palm Beach tonight -- should -- And I was bewildered western -- -- because I don't know how do you think delicious and humans who was a recent -- -- -- is simple question is I -- know it's -- yeah.
-- Spanish is Cuban I mean you know it's reasonable to think your dad yeah I'm I'm very -- I'm very -- your gas was let me I mean this -- sure they -- let me what was my job -- -- -- -- other governments it.
Dan question -- I am not one to jump on gaffes I think they can be just -- and they don't criticize reflect people's intelligence or lack there of -- -- on the debate performance based on the Libya question.
That's not a gap that is that's ignorance understatement you're getting -- -- wrong or or sixty obviously let's talk about that for second and not to bring up.
Vice president -- but.
In that moment.
There had been a couple of things where the media was questioning whether he was right savvy enough intelligence enough to be in that position and it kind of fit the hate this word narrative thoughts that had been going on in this is similar to what's going on that wasn't.
-- I actually think they're really if the depression.
You know slips.
Anderson and then people Anna Paquin who was a terrible federal deficit was which is how I could explain how that happens if you vote for -- -- -- -- -- But I -- have an unfair it was unfair at the end of today he debated Al Gore even in the 1992 vice presidential debate he needs to help -- help or hurt the bush -- ticket who -- that -- actually lost it.
And that was that south.
I do think is I think voters are pretty Smart to make a distinction I think I agree with Charles was to make a decision -- -- -- a gap a slip of the tongue even this -- -- the -- -- -- -- -- -- -- prone -- that.
And not knowing much about a whole area of presidential responsibility and then sometimes not to me to.
Care much that you don't know much about an -- president's responsibility and that I think it has hurt people like Sarah Palin.
And and now I think Herman Cain closely and I say this is a little like some both and first of Barack Obama whatever you think a President Obama was British shares let's see here at least appear yet he's good -- appearing to.
Be knowledgeable as knowledgeable as he needs to be about.
About public policy is wrong about a lot of public policies -- doesn't look like he's.
Like he's clueless about.
You lose interest in -- -- isn't there is a strong interest in our country.
And taking on the elites.
In sort of a populist argument that we're tired of these guys especially the Ivy League educated people who say they know more than we know and look at the state -- government is a lack of trust.
But the the other side -- -- Herman Cain please on this when he says yeah I don't have any elected experience where power how about those guys in Washington who do how's that working out for I think that plays to that sentiment.
But at some point his celebration of lack of information lack of knowledge.
Well it's an indictment against his ability to actually function as president we can mean you have to trust that this person.
I think there was a question on the poll about who would you trust with nukes.
And clearly people would not trust Herman -- fact that they don't trust many people with nukes but Newt Gingrich Newt Gingrich was 30% -- topped that -- thirty.
Certainly seventy present would even trust him but 30% and and -- and way to weighing wasn't a candidate wants -- vs thirtieth and thirty would you -- plus sixteen.
Now wasn't a break up of all right above your head so he got thirty read somewhere else that's -- if someone -- got Garcia wasn't that much trust and hope humility and humor -- into the so.
McCain is way down and people do not give Herman Cain.
Benefit you think you know how to deal with serious issues that's and that's an indictment.
Cranky -- writes Vice President Biden is the king of -- Mac from Texas and this is a common theme.
-- bill and Charles have anything negative to say about -- Mitt Romney.
I've been pretty I mean I think his death around the campaign who sort of their less favorite.
People on television or -- and there's it's me because I haven't jumped -- around an event right and I mean I respect him and I.
Someone refers policies of president Obama's -- I'm the guy who's sort of wondered -- around trying to get all right Mitch Daniels on his own people to run Chris Christie.
Because I wasn't thrilled with a field as it was so yeah -- -- -- -- I mention Romney's flip flops on issues incentive Gingrich has a personal activities that wolf could come back to haunt them.
And Gingrich has position and Romney has positions he's taken on issues that could come back to -- -- themselves my first choice was Mitch Daniels an alleged secret.
My second was -- Brian and I trying to -- -- -- policy to force him in the race -- -- -- -- he resisted he slipped out of the news.
The last two I guess my third -- Christie.
I mean I was runner out of people who Enron.
And Romney I've talked often about the fact that he has one major huge Achilles heel and that is.
Romney care and I've been saying for months I have not yet heard the right answer.
As to how we can -- -- -- obamacare and I said early on -- but before the debates they're one of the things that would determine whether he would make it.
Would be where they're joining the debates any of his opponents would actually.
Get him in a position where he could not work his way out of it.
And no one has laid a glove on him up to now on that issue which is of course he's -- Achilles heel.
And he has a history of changing his position -- in north eastern.
Republican is not a conservative but in the end I would say.
I don't much care about what's in a candidate -- I care about what a candidate does as -- -- psychiatrist I know it's almost impossible.
To know what to someone's hard even if you if there on your couch one hour -- week -- five days a week.
One hour a day five days a week and I just want -- see only behaves and the platform he's standing on now.
-- a reasonably conservative ones especially the one in which he talked about how he would cut the budget so I mean I'm not a big.
Fan but I want to win against Obama I think every conservative.
Does -- a man who's who's got the most the best chance.
By the way one that poll about who you'd trust with nuclear weapons and Newt was it -- -- -- at 30%.
Romney 17% came was in third at 7% right and the other candidates were below can't accept personal unless you -- -- me because he's.
I I was taking it that you know -- 70% and we don't trust me you're saying it's it's a matter of breaking down among all the candidates.
But 7% is not -- and even -- you're.
Proper interpretation -- Okay what what about this this story.
Gingrich story Kenny -- -- Kenny you know this poll was taken before this focus on the Fannie and Freddie.
Our -- the Fed the the Freddie consulting.
-- -- one point it.
You know this last 3456 -- the Republican presidential race and given up predicting.
What hurts what doesn't -- which ticket -- have every right like Gingrich's rise but.
And I if I had the suspicion that he will not follow the path.
Bachmann Perry and -- and rise and fall just as fast as heroes I do think Newt Newt Gingrich is a more substantial figure at the end of the day there.
They're two people in the race and this is a kind of a very Washington based thing to say to people -- -- who.
Most would say a qualified to present their flaws but they're qualified.
And I think in that respect I don't think -- images and get disqualified.
By one particular -- ethical improprieties by taking a consulting contract with -- you know that was there to be taken when he was the private sector.
I don't think helps them.
But I do think I think Gingrich and -- -- now what a real race and I think we'll see what they'll debate real issues and I think -- kind of itching to watch actually.
-- I do although I do think they'll be.
A lot of these issues coming up remember Romney went through a -- In 2000 -- and that it always happens when you're running for the president for the first time on the laundry hates Washington public.
And on this issue I mean you can on the issue of consulting is okay everybody does it but remember the answer he gave in the debate the way he wasn't.
-- -- when he was a story he gave this thing you guys are crazy and then you wonder how can.
Why would you pay somebody.
That amount of money every month for half a decade to tell you -- you're -- well I turned out it's not exactly.
What his consulting consisted -- and you know remember also in 2008.
He said that John McCain should have demanded given when it happened -- Freddie and this Fannie had demanded.
That Obama return the money he received from Freddie and Fannie.
In the election campaign so that Elise who question you -- -- value in return the money they YouTube.
I think he's going to be -- a lot of these questions if not now certainly if -- if -- -- to win the nomination.
And that is part of the -- everybody has baggage and that's part against.
Walk us Supreme Court case on health care of one to ten someone asks chances of Kagan Rick justice Kagan recusing herself.
One being right yes ten being now.
I think it's unlikely at this what -- two people on the court that are being.
Targeted for this were -- -- movement warnings Kagan and the others Clarence Thomas.
The argument Kagan is that she was solicitor general part of this administration when the law.
Was voted on and in fact they have an email now.
In which he says something.
To Lawrence tribe right yourself explanation passage of -- -- have a -- is what I think -- -- to they had the vote they have the votes right and exclamation point exclamation point.
So she seems like a cheerleader.
The counter argument would -- she didn't write the legislation.
She wasn't arguing for legislation.
She's simply a member of the administration.
So it's no surprise.
On Clarence Thomas.
The argument would be that his wife.
I -- has been active in conservative groups.
That were targeting the health care legislation.
And that he and that there's money coming in to his family as a result of the anti.
-- -- act.
Effort on the part of conservative Republicans.
I -- -- were prisoner accused you know I don't think -- -- gonna recused themselves I think they both have arguments I don't think -- -- Justice Thomas is.
To be held to account for his wife's -- were political activities and -- in Kagan cases less that I don't.
I thank her you know make the case for her she didn't write it she wasn't an advocate for it she was simply part of the administration's -- I think her chances of recusing yourself -- -- 2010.
Is a twelve that you own arm there's no chance to.
Where there they are too I think over -- justice can honestly say.
Even -- whether I'm involved and around -- who are not.
No matter what the case is to -- -- -- justice is never.
To make a judgment on how good or political or correct.
Or wise law is is is it constitutional.
So no matter how I felt about it whether I -- the government or non had a hand in and or not I'm always gonna have to to put aside.
I'm feeling I would have about the wisdom of the law it's always about constitutional -- so.
It doesn't change anything she still has to to put aside her feelings about wisdom and to -- entirely on you whether it's.
Come -- and with the constitution.
Arguably going -- all in the hearing her.
Approval in the senate.
The administration knew how she would stand on this issue.
I mean they don't talk about the litmus test going into the senate hearing but.
They would have had to have known where she stood on the constitutionality of the commerce clause and health.
-- out and they play as someone who agreed with a very expansive view of federal power -- I doubt -- you the world recuse himself or herself I don't know they'll need that much to push.
For you to want to do so I was and it's different me different I do think there are certain out of my next from the -- rules were if you didn't if you've.
Participated briefing -- case as part of an administration to tradition has been to recuse yourself there have been previous solicitor generals on the Rehnquist were if not he was in his office and the council stepped up and -- -- Herself in certain cases in this case if it turns out that S solicitor general -- had very little.
-- nothing to do directly with the formulation of legislation legal defense and it.
I think she will be part of the decision I hadn't I have a sort of kind of slightly fewer kirchmedia when -- -- district court took this case -- And there's a good for.
For the for the Republicans are bad at the Supreme Court upholds.
The constitutionality of obamacare and there's a certain way which -- -- about -- past however saying I think this is that the president -- -- action these are like President Clinton.
He's stuck with this -- -- live action becomes a referendum on -- -- next year.
And Clinton never got his health care plan through -- you could both of Clinton's reelection in 96 and not fear that you we're gonna get Hillary care back huge -- -- after -- before.
Would this isn't huge issue as Charles that earlier million in 2012 if you if present -- this principally president of I was reelected Obama just days.
The president Obama's -- it's almost certain I think it obamacare.
Is repealed by Republican president Republican.
Congress so if obamacare is actually repealed by the extreme -- in a certain way.
If you're -- party -- like that obamacare thing -- pay the court took care of that and then I'm nervous about Romney or Gingrich or -- And I can vote for Obama -- a partisan purported -- I'm not really sure which way that.
This kind of is the GOP nominee and then say you wasted a year and a half.
On this legislation that was ruled unconstitutional.
When you could have been spending time on the economy and jobs that.
But it's good -- couldn't actively make that case.
Who can effectively -- from Republicans that's the question.
I mean I don't I don't I don't think Romney can make the case probably Gingrich's for a mandate before correct guessed it right so.
I mean I guess you come -- that everybody -- a more forward looking that we have us think that we can go through there their capacity can make legitimate issues for different things in the past but.
I honestly I mean look I'm not -- -- fan but I believe that probably as president he will sign a bill that we passed by the John Boehner led House of Representatives.
To repeal obamacare I'm with you but in the election -- he's made.
Is this is this it was essential issue in 2010.
It's it's what actually defeated the Democrats above everything else.
So is Romney a guy who can possibly.
To make a persuasive case especially in the debates.
Against Obama on this given his past that's -- neutralizes.
Actually that's true you -- -- all over his case that he said to us in this hang out that we did yesterday.
Was that he could say on a statewide issue.
I didn't deal with the cost and -- cost one trillion dollars and I was about insuring 8% of the massachusetts' uninsured you know he's got he's got -- talking points listed.
That he can go through you know nine points did so Sunday but is it effective.
The Federalist argument here's your week on arming anybody really cares about whether it's okay at a state level of business federal level -- it's okay at any level.
Why not do it if it's a good idea -- it's a good idea Massachusetts.
Leinart I think they of that other argument is.
And the reason people who were so upset about it.
And why is sort of helped engender the birth of the Tea Party was it's an assault on liberty in some way it's the government intruding into something extremely important.
They're taking over six.
The American economy so saying that you know I only was gonna spend a trillion he's gonna spend more it's the principle of it.
That's why it's going to be you know -- the Supreme Court it's the principle that I think enraged people and on that I think Romney is.
-- We're just gonna make him put him in terms of this discussion the whole refusal argument.
Has to do the politicization of the Supreme Court at this moment.
And it whether or not they're decision pro or con will be viewed.
As a political decision as opposed to in his decision based on the law and that's a problem for the Supreme Court.
They are I mean if you think back to 2000 that decision and then you come forward.
-- -- this court now.
Very much divided.
Much as congress is on a partisan basis people.
Are gonna lose some confidence in the court -- think that's a huge issue on this decision.
I hate to -- it -- it started with pork okay well ever since -- it's been obviously it's all about politics.
And Nino Scalia was approved by I think a unanimous vote.
And they're the Republicans.
Supported the Clinton nominees with a very high number of votes.
But liberals have decided they didn't make -- ideological litmus test and they applied as in the case -- -- and it changed everything.
Certainly followed with terms I would be surprised and -- front court will hear the case is but I.
You know they're they're sensitive to these things and I've got to wonder whether they won't find a way to send them back for some.
We arguments -- for some lower court considerations hands of folks who are related to avoid his decision in the middle and actually I mean honestly as it.
I don't know how does someone you care about -- in general well structured credit quality of the US government I don't think -- really -- Supreme Court resolving this 541 way the other.
In the middle of an election year it's not gonna be healthy for the country.
Either -- ask us what a lot of the four issues of the -- and decide I found surprising was.
These are making a moot.
Until the first person is penalized for refusing a mandate.
Which won't happen until 2015.
So they have allowed themselves.
-- ruling on a quarter of these issues.
To essentially give it a kick into the future and -- it up to the American people.
Meredith loved having her question fast we're happy you did Meredith.
Thank you all for tuning -- We have against senator seat on Monday with governor Rick Perry.
Who's trying to make a comeback by buying a lot of bad time all over the place we'll see if it works.
But he will be answering some tough questions from the panel and from you.
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