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Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich Spar Over Patriot Act

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-- the end leading GOP contenders sparring over national security Ron Paul taking aim at the patriot that during the debate last night.

But new Gingrich was quick to disagree.

I think the Patriot Act it is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty.

I'm concerned as everybody is about the terrorist attack Timothy McVeigh was a vicious terrorist.

He was arrested terrorism still on the books internationally and actually he has a criminal it's a crime and we should deal with it today.

It seems to we see that our government and are congress'.

Are so willing to give up.

Our liberties for our security.

I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security you can -- provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights.

-- -- -- response mister speaker out Timothy McVeigh succeeded.

That's the whole point.

Tonight Timothy McVeigh killed a lot of Americans I don't -- law that says.

I have to lose a major American city we're sure gonna come and find you.

-- a law that says you try to take out American cities where the staff and.

Am.

Alan Combs hosted the Alan -- show injection safety former spokesman for Jeb Bush and publishers say be reviewed dot com join us to talk about this.

Thanks for joining at I.

I just gonna start with you.

And you disagree with Ron Paul.

Absolutely I disagree with -- -- degree was speaker Gingrich on this.

First of all Timothy McVeigh -- -- was able to commit an act of terrorism.

And the gold the Patriot Act is to prevent acts of terrorism that's the president's chief responsibility is to provide for the national defense it's -- constitutional duty.

I also don't think -- Ron Paul got right.

When he said they don't have to sacrifice freedom for security the bill of rights the Second Amendment is a very important.

I'll -- to bear arms it millions of Americans are going to be traveling on airplanes today and they forfeit the right to carry arms and and I don't think that most Americans.

Believed that the Second Amendment believes that that is.

The State's -- -- bring rifles and handguns and shotguns on to airplanes that's one example where Ron Paul's philosophy is bumper sticker politics and it's just wrong.

And Alex what about you what do you think what about the right of people to be secure in their persons in their houses and effect.

We have -- -- at the I've Patriot Act in fact you should idea he ideally.

Be against the Patriot Act like Ron Paul is because.

Part of the Patriot Act is a good look at -- gun records are killing your library records that he would need a name or -- attached to a search warrant.

And they don't even need probable cause to I would think if you're someone who favors gun right you'd be very much against the Patriot Act -- -- exactly.

Right on this I really like Ron Paul although not -- everything as they.

That liberal Democrat but he's got it exactly right on this and -- he's -- a very important voice in this debate because he is standing up for being.

For eight and once we do sacrifice our safety in the name of freedom we as Benjamin Franklin said deserve.

Neither and the idea that the -- and almost sounds trite to say that terrorists have won.

But they don't take away our freedom we do and that's what we're doing here with the Patriot Act -- -- really comfortable Allen was someone getting on a plane with you say you're headed home for Thanksgiving.

And their arms your complete.

Comfortable I'd say that however.

There's no evidence the Patriot Act is gonna prevent that there's no evidence the patriot that would ever have prevented Tim McVeigh -- I and I think Newt Gingrich although I think it was a right let's let an immigration.

Was really wrong about this he doesn't know that the paycheck would have stopped.

Tim McVeigh would have found never gotten him or stop what the horrible -- he committed before and there's no evidence the -- would do any of that.

Which is why it's so important to preserve our freedom and preserve the constitution conservatives say they love the constitution -- about honoring it.

Yet just in here's something we do know that 42 terrorist attacks aimed at the US have been thwarted since 9/11 we know that right.

We do know that and that's the whole point the point is is that as was made the point was made the debate last night that during the 2000 election.

George W.

Bush was not asked once about al-Qaeda.

2001911.

Changed that and we now know that we have people that want to commit acts of terrorism in the United States.

That justifies any more.

A vigilant response and it justifies the Patriot Act and again I can be -- I'm actually sense of the fact that we don't do wanna protect our freedoms we don't wanna become a police state.

But even with the Patriot Act America is the freest country on earth.

And that's our competitive edge against other countries I don't think that anyone can I.

I don't know what that means that we're the freest country on earth that sounds like a bumper sticker -- have -- these Patriot Act where where we have these kinds of battening down the hatches.

And going after possibly American citizens -- the idea that the president can compare it can can declare anybody -- enemy combatant.

Which is overreaching on the executive branch that we think we're savor this is an illusion because we've got to get attacked again sadly and instead it's an illusion that we are somehow safer because of these laws are not where not to let really compromise our values because of.

Have to wrap yet the have to be the final word but thank you so much for your insight -- -- Alan -- in the hallway adjusting.

Think it is well happy Thanksgiving -- it and did.

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