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Let's bring in our panel David Drucker reporter for roll call AB Stoddard associate editor of the hill and syndicated columnist crawls -- -- All right welcome everyone thanks for sticking around your Thanksgiving eve.
We did talk a lot about 2012 the big debate last night Newt Gingrich in his position on immigration but we took a little pole and that's what people -- -- keep talking about itself.
Who wants to dive in on -- and where he goes.
Evening I'm going to your latest I think that that -- Charles pointed out that he has had his own set of flip flops.
I think he's we've got to Romney problem he says on his website that he set up now to answer.
All of these liabilities and and true criticisms.
Of -- of the real facts that he -- changed his mind.
On an individual mandate for health care on his support for TARP.
On climate change and things you said about that in the past on advanced directives.
He has a load of flip flops.
To be questioned.
About and as I said during the show I think.
You know -- -- immigration opposition would end with the base when there are already worried about.
30000 a month were a dollar entertainers from Freddie Mac but she's had only took an hour of commuting time.
During which he would help them with his firm grasp of history.
And -- not discuss.
Anything that would amount to actual lobbying not helping with connections on Capitol Hill.
It it doesn't stand on its face it's ridiculous his answers about that activity we all know what he was doing he was connect -- Republicans on Capitol Hill -- with a message that Freddie Mac was trying.
Got to come up with to save their reputation with conservatives as of bailed out GSE.
And and everybody knows that so it's a lot of money that he earned I had consortium that he built with -- healthcare companies and and drug companies.
-- 37 million dollars from Doug Gingrich group was paid knock him personally.
I think that that is going to be very tough for people who want outsiders to come in and clean up Washington.
Com who want.
To it should be wiped out of our system after that the end that the border secured two to have a strict -- Com to legalization.
Anyone that follows the rules and I think that Newt Gingrich has flip flops like Mitt Romney and so I just don't think.
That that that it's going to be an easy ride for him he's had a great ten days this is when the surge started he's having fond.
But I I don't see it lasting well.
Listening I find interesting when I talk to family and friends outside the beltway who are in this business who don't follow politics the way that we do.
They surprised me a little bit and how many of them really like -- and what I hear from them is I think he's the only one who can debate President Obama head to head.
That he's the intellectual that he could really go head to head with them and these are people who.
Are very conservative very much you know evangelical Christians and people that you think in Iowa it would not dig Newt's personal life.
On which he has since you've been very publicly.
You know repentant about and those kinds of things.
But at this point for -- it seems to be about who can beat Obama not necessarily all of those -- You know things that we know have come out of town is really whether he can golfer and only he can write a really great game and get I think they want somebody is gonna go -- in the president's vision and -- and.
You're in the same thing in for months but but the question I have is a Republican voters looking for a big catharsis.
For Newt Gingrich to get on a stage with Barack Obama and say all the things that they wish they could say to him or are they looking for somebody who can actually beat Obama.
Because as we know sometimes the best debater.
Often in presidential debates.
The most articulate at communicating the positions of a party loses the debate and all you have to do -- even go back.
To the 2000 debates work -- George W.
Bush couldn't put three sentences together.
But Al Gore lost the seaside and everybody thought it was a jerk.
I understand why conservatives.
Are wary of Romney and want somebody who's a conservative who they can trust to govern.
The way they believe and I also understand they haven't been out of power long enough.
That winning matters in the way it might and ended -- -- say that when they weren't power until recently their memory is our guys weren't power all they cared about was winning and they didn't do anything conservative.
So I get all of that but you also have to factor in exactly what are they looking for from a candidate.
And at least understand what they want if they want somebody who's -- out talk president Barack Obama.
And and say the things about the health care law that they wish they could say to him personally.
Gingrich is their guy.
But if they want somebody who can.
We independent voters -- democratic voters and hold Republicans.
Maybe he will prove to us that he is that guy.
But that's something that ought to be considered if you're looking at the.
End game how people today when you solve Romney.
Getting John dean's endorsement in those two standing on -- stage to get -- five.
That looks suspiciously like -- 2012 GOP ticket.
It actually would be an attractive one except that I think the most attractive line.
Particularly since the way the Republicans have gone so extreme on immigration would be a Romney rubio.
Do you think felt he is kind of sent -- the signal that he's not willing to take the VP slot -- -- turning down a photographer in that way -- all you gotta do is to send a couple of guys over.
-- sorry he can't sorry guys come over what they might invent -- really like to see anything happen in the family and wow accidents -- serving your country I mean it's a very rare that you get particularly somebody early in his career who turns it down you might get somebody.
-- -- exhausted and who doesn't relish having a position that is.
The least important in the world.
After the prince of Wales.
From rubio would bring of course I think a lot of energy and I can't imagine he would -- now.
But prefer Romney I think the issue is.
Will -- go after Gingrich -- -- allowed Gingrich to self destruct or hope that he.
And I think the real issue is I think David's right people have been sort of a seduced by.
The importance of the debates in this Republican race because it's all been about debate it's become very nationalized.
And imagine that the presidential debate will be at the same way it will not be at all they're only three debates he comes late and it's not at all.
-- something that determines the outcome historically it hasn't.
When -- I think that's -- president when 9% unemployment huge amounts of debt a stagnant economy and a very and people went 80% standing.
Percent saying we're on the wrong track to think you've got to win in debates he -- saying.
You simply have to win by being minimally acceptable.
A position is so bad that people thing.
-- help the country I mean this is that it's like 1980.
But soon as Reagan.
Convinced Americans he was not a lunatic and extremists who have started nuclear war he was an okay guy.
It was over and I think you've got to make a referendum on Obama.
If it's a Gingrich it'll be.
A referendum on Obama and a referendum on Gingrich which is.
Something that a party in the position of the Republicans.
I think isn't obligated to do and I think you would be a much larger risk.
Now second only to the calls for you to run for president which all of our posters I get a lot of us remember his city and it falls out Charles -- president.
You know -- that is clear is nominated I will not run.
However if elected I will soon you will -- people you had.
Saturday he laid out a criteria did not see you to do -- -- now -- now are really nothing into that they love your idea of Romney reveal a lot of folks timing on that -- could including colonel why real.
-- yes it's -- thank you for your service colonel he says he love that idea Romney rubio way to go.
It's getting a lot of thumbs up and including -- looking forced the vice presidential debate quote.
Rubio would mop the floor with -- in the debates so again people focusing on the debate -- came comes from Thaddeus.
And national I think it's because Republican debates.
Have been so dominant in them explaining.
The of swings and -- down swings in this season and usually so that people are sort of extrapolate the general election.
And I'm not sure it -- extrapolation holds at.
All right so other -- -- You know news Romney's ramping up in Iowa that's you know just weeks away at this point.
You think -- the -- that we talked about earlier with Gingrich clearly leading among likely caucus goers and those who say they're definitely get involved is -- room for anyone else because Ron Paul is I mean he's pulling very strong one of these people in second place.
Think that Iowa.
-- obviously -- -- concluded that he has to play there because he was topping the bulls and I know a month ago.
Mean he has a very good organization he's worked flatly and and and hard there -- -- to come up with a good operation and he's.
Can't conclude -- asked again and and and and go for it but.
I think he's fine if he doesn't come in first place I think it's going to be a big Ron Paul spoiler show.
Ron Paul gets one or two away and I think it's going to be a split anti Romney vote I don't -- Gingrich comes in number one and just takes it away I don't think it.
It's there's going to be like that I predict Rick Rick Santorum has a good surprise showing in in every brownie I really I am and I think that.
That Mitt Romney goes on to New Hampshire Ernie wants to win there I think what Mitt Romney knows I think to -- -- -- question before I think team Romney wants to not attack news and keep on Obama and just let me self destruct because he went -- But he won't do it soon this will be a long race with the new rules on proportional voting he's going to allow people elect Newt Gingrich Herman Cain and Rick -- hang on to -- bitter and and they -- and so.
You know it won't it might not be a two man race between Romney and die Gingrich for a -- long time.
And I think Iowa is not.
Really gonna be predictive or definitive I just think he gets modeled by.
I don't think -- -- -- well but I do predict Ron Paul.
Really strong arm and possible surprised by Rick Santorum amendments and -- votes and it just is something that Romney can probably do well enough to kind of walk away from.
Our -- they are more and.
-- future in the fights we have now brewing in Washington because of the super committee not getting anything done.
We're facing expression of some pretty important things unemployment benefits the payroll tax holiday.
I'm David they're gearing up for a fight but he couldn't agree on anything it's a super committee did anything get done on those fronts before they expire.
Well to that question a month from today December 23 that's the Friday before Christmas ever -- -- happy birthday.
And you might be working and working the way I am sure Iowa and less particularly in less these guys up on the hill.
Can come up with a with a great solution to do the unemployment benefits extension along with the payroll tax holiday extension.
There's -- -- either side is that'll give the other wanna pass in my view and say oh we're gonna do this one thing over here without attaching it to this thing over here.
And Republicans are -- at least many are gonna demand.
That unemployment benefits are paid for -- you're gonna have another Republicans that think thinks that extending this perpetually is actually bad for the economy.
In not to infer from job growth they're gonna not want extended at all.
You're gonna have party leaders trying to quell that because they're worried about how that looks to a country with with -- unemployment.
End the payroll tax holiday is the kind of thing that you know Republicans don't think any tax that they can get just on the grounds of any money that doesn't -- Washington is fine with them.
But they don't think that this is actually doing be it economic growth issue any good -- so they're not very enthusiastic about it.
And -- you have the president running around all December I'm doing his thing and so do what think they'll figure it out into the day yet for these kinds of issues.
At the holidays when times are going to be tough for a lot of people out there.
They'll figure it out but in the meantime -- won't talk a lot about how they might not.
And it's different in the super committee I would just say he's -- super committee was the kind of thing that the it didn't happen in everybody's life goes on no unemployment insurance extension.
-- a tax cut.
That is an extended and that's a political problem and it's felt.
How does the GOP run against what the president is gonna say when people are hurting a great deal if they don't pass you know this tax credit extension or expansion of it.
It's gonna cost American -- is this dollar amount he set for example a family making 50000 yesterday said a thousand dollars difference for them.
How does the GOP which of course has questions about how that.
-- going to be paid for how -- they go out and rebut what he's going to be -- maybe.
Well it's going to be tough that I think that they're gonna -- They're gonna have a hard time I do instead of the holidays they always almost always buckle on that center at the last hour after screaming about the deficit hole that's going to be belonged.
As a result this has a price tag.
On if you look at an AMT alternative minimum tax patch.
With stopping the Medicare and I went out that's a -- -- difficult that alone as a 100000.
Billion and then you're looking at around 200 with the RW IN pans out payroll -- -- It's it's over 300 billion dollars in new spending and they haven't come up with a one point two over ten years one point two -- considered many.
It is consistent disaster but with a gun to the head of December 16 with a CR a dividend that short distort short term spending measure expiring to keep the government.
Running -- there will be some crazy last managed -- a Jumbo package.
And I bet the Republicans and agree to get that -- Don they might ask for pay force there might be some cuts.
I'm somewhere but it's very I doubt that they stand in complete opposition to extending.
Unemployment insurance and and -- extension of the payroll taxes but it is a serious math issue I mean -- both parties having.
Looked at setting up the super committee which was a sham to Begin when they never had a deadline he never had a real trigger they never had any consequences to phase.
And then coming out -- having to deal with almost 400 billion new dollars really.
It's really not good and I I I really in any interest to deceive the message from from both sides.
About where they find that money or whether they get Ben and -- just spend.
-- to the deficit.
Well and Charles I mean -- always that point in Washington with only time we get things done is win -- -- standing on the edge of the club about the fall off.
Is that where we are you actually like -- road runner over the cliff.
How do you actually get a follow up and then -- May get pulled back a -- so much cash.
Applying the laws of physics know for sure thing about -- last year which was after the election in the lame duck session.
Where faced with -- hike in taxes which would have been the expiration of the bush tax cuts McConnell and Obama agreed on the deal.
That everybody liked -- -- tax cuts and had all kinds of sweeteners.
Extensions of stuff that was in the first stimulus package.
It blew a tremendous hole in the budget and everybody just sort of smiled and said it was a wonderful idea everybody went -- fat and happy.
When an election year coming up next year I think -- at the same thing you know work don't know they'll extend unemployment they'll extend the the cut in the payroll tax they'll do they have to do everything and pretend there's they'll come up with a device when they'll be cuts in 2019.
Everybody else in the NCA AJ definitely -- an undue influence it's paid for will be paid for and dropped most probably.
But everybody is safe and that's what's gonna happen until we get a serious.
Administration neither second Obama or -- first whoever's going to be Republican.
With that -- -- and do something about the debt I think anything on -- Is dead until the after election.
Are a lot of folks up there when I turn internationally and they wanna look and talk about was -- about -- that they -- -- talk about Egypt too as we continue to see the violence flaring up there.
-- look who's going to be in charge resigning cabinets new cabinets.
You know the military.
What do you make of the long term situation there -- -- and -- moving towards stability they've -- elections coming on the a lot of unrest right now.
Now -- -- so it's just so sad I think it just as months back.
And all hope -- -- square about you know deposing Mubarak and what it would usher and then you know the beloved military that it always protected -- and and now you know much of that that crack down a bit on the protesters is has been even you know more severe and and violent and brutal -- During.
-- -- months fact that this protest fact that veterans really really.
It really uncertain future at this point I I don't know.
-- Powell a new you know what the military is trying to hang on they're trying to make these concessions the people don't want them they want -- to leave right now.
I you know I don't know hop and -- In terms of a timeline of when you know they actually step aside but you can't expect anything stable in their place on and it's.
It sounds I think it will be a lot of people for a long time and an enormous challenge.
For us -- interest in the -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Traditional knowledge developed gonna happen next week in these sound elections is that the Muslim Brotherhood is gonna do very well I mean they've sort of stayed out of the immediate violence right now and you know we believe in and hoping not to disrupt the election sexy believing they're gonna do well.
See Dave we think that means for us and foreign policy.
Purposes the Middle East is a power can't right now it's very unpredictable and if we weren't so consumed by our economic problems.
I think this will be one of them did the driving issues in American politics right now and and and I I think that really we're just one.
Of events for major problem.
Foreign policy and and and and those issues.
It's sort of sharing Centre stage with the economy and if you look at how many things are going on that part of the world that are unpredictable whether it's Egypt.
Or Syria or Iran.
You have the Israeli Palestinian issue which is as it always has been.
The whole thing is.
He is dangerous and I don't know that any administration could really have a handle on it.
That times like this all you can do is hope that your response is correct.
And and I think we'll just have to wait and see and hope that our government manages it well.
When -- we should we need managing and Charles -- stay out of there is this a place for us to get involved or not -- -- a lot of people us percent of Ron Paul camp that say you know we're involved two -- we should be involved -- anyway is this one of those who run.
-- those living in the 1920s.
There was a theory for twenty years between the two world wars that America could ignore the world in the world would ignore America.
Well we were cured with Pearl Harbor that was the end of American.
-- -- mainstream idea now but it's always had you know would trickle it's always had.
Following even after the Second World War.
Now I think it's slightly stronger as a result of the -- appointments -- Afghanistan.
And Iraq in the same way that in the seventies after the of them the failure of the Vietnam War there was a kind of a resurgence of isolationism but it.
It's an absurdity of the idea that if we -- world that -- ignore us -- did on nine elevenths not gonna happen.
But did we -- our policies in some way.
Contribute to that happening as raw politics now I think Islamic radicalism Islam has them.
Long predates even the rise of America has a great power.
It goes back to the priest Second World War -- it has to do -- develop and within Islam the failure of the Islamic.
World -- in the Arab world.
To modernize its humiliating if the Arabs.
Think of 19100 and compare the mayor's situation -- for example southeast Asia or Korea.
And where the Pacific rim is today and -- Arabs are today.
It's a humiliation and they are looking for answers.
The first answer was Arab nationalism and master -- -- of that is collapsed.
It ended with us and and with the generals now.
He needs you -- -- hanging on and then -- our answer is Islam which is not exactly succeeded.
In places like Iran and elsewhere but still hasn't been tried hasn't had -- wrong.
So that -- nothing at all to do with America and American intervention.
So -- -- I think it's an easy out for.
For somebody like around Paul to say oh it's a reaction to an America does a month before 9/11 -- Islamic radicals in Afghanistan.
Went out and destroyed.
Thousand year old huge monuments of them buddhism.
Was that a reaction first -- Buddhist imperialism infringement on their lives.
There are riots in Nigeria there are attacks in the Philippines they don't have anything at all to do.
With the United States it's -- movement outside of our control.
Which in part isn't that.
An attack on us and direct and on us and we have to have a response and you can hardly hear -- -- it.
By the way when -- you know you guys are getting a lot of love tonight from the folks timing and they think your brilliant all of your comments.
There are some who want to argue about some of your points the most of them think that this is a fantastic panel and that your -- rock stars like our time.
Things haven't we heard and let us know about it hi there they weren't in it okay I'm going they do -- -- know if you have any Thanksgiving traditions payments.
I think the rules -- in my mom's food.
That knowledge changes quite the cook and she gets better every year.
And my two favorites are homemade cranberry sauce which -- a child I initially rejected because I liked.
The can't -- because it comes out and it has the imprint of the -- nearly eight year old boys love sort things like that night chase tasted only cranberry sauce.
And one year she was gonna stop making the candied yams from -- nobody ate them and for some reason that just bothered me so I said no you make them and every year since I must have been twelve or something.
Every year since I make sure I eat them if they'll be all.
And that the good fun and that's -- -- -- oxygen I Amy.
I'd like if we're not travelling and people are coming to visit us here to go to.
The service at the national cathedral -- all religions are welcome and.
It's a place a staggering beauty its hands.
It's a wonderful.
Wonderful service and I try to do it every and then here and I ruined my morning -- are you cooking.
My husband is very good cook.
How but I don't -- that he will championed the effort that.
And I'm just sort of us you have Unisys helper networks aren't a team effort Charles I don't cook.
My mouse made -- a -- -- I don't know how to and it turned out years ago knowing we saw.
-- -- -- Didn't come -- I grew up in Canada where we had we didn't actually happen American thanks indeed giving we had a Canadian that.
I don't exactly remember what it was about but I do -- but I do love about.
Living here now for work and forty years of course.
Is that it is this sort of uniquely American holiday -- everyone else has and Independence -- everybody.
Veterans today used to be remembrance a day the end of the first world war.
But this is quintessentially America and it's about.
The greatness of a country that it created itself from the windows and a wilderness literally.
Created his own idea created sort of the constitution and his.
Its essence is an idea of liberty and independence and that is unique in the world.
And anybody who lives here really asked it.
Appreciates it and particularly on this day it reminds you how unique America is.
And how lucky you are to be to live here to be born here and to raise a family.
Future and we get to -- I had to meet for the first time your son -- tonight who is a very impressive young man.
So he did apple does not fall far.
-- and that the second native born American and their family after me all of my.
My parents -- brother and others -- are born abroad so it's a blessing and and I'm sure he appreciates it this much -- He is impressive I like to -- my PGAs as long as possible and watch the Macy's Thanksgiving -- You know not really do a whole lot of it's that's for everyone if I stay out of the kitchen.
So neat the dumbest trade and no containment you know networks -- -- -- PGA and I might -- feet pajamas on the bottom.
And if we have online showed an occasion to -- so things are especially thankful for this year.
Weren't gonna ask this in an area.
It just makes life better than I thought it could be and I was pretty happy -- And just.
The fact that I get to get up every day and go to work and do something I love especially right now is something that I'm eternally grateful even as I.
About every other minute as every journalist as you want.
Comment might just.
The love of my family and having them is -- Something -- trying to take for granted and I'm very grateful by the way thumbs up on your -- someone they love it and the handkerchief to thank you very much.
So they're thankful for your -- AB.
I think so with so many people suffering -- -- my family just feels very grateful for what we have the blessings we have.
The fact that my -- -- -- good education that they have their health my husband and I.
Go to work every day -- and appreciate what that means and and I think that that.
-- it's -- it was each passing Thanksgiving these last several years and then that's a good feeling and I feel very grateful.
We have one in sixteen chance of being born here it's a -- that all of us -- war.
Especially I grew up outside American born here -- my family.
Moved us to Canada when I was six that I came later.
And if you appreciated if you live to Brothers I have.
Ends he's the other part of it I say this but.
It's sort of a roundabout.
Praise -- our president we have had an incredibly important great national debate since he became president.
Over the nature of the American experiment the size and scope -- each of them.
I -- -- -- introducing -- very liberal program which I don't agree with.
But we have had a very important that we haven't had a trivial debate over the last three years on dead on deficits and spending.
But Obama care health care all of these issues already to a central issue.
And the nature of the American social contract.
I mean he was a journalist for thirty years and I've never been involved and as important debate which I think we'll be resolved on Election Day.
It's not about -- trivia our -- isn't about extraneous issues it's about who we are.
And to be a journalist and a citizen involved in this.
There's a blessing.
Absolutely yes thank you I'm thankful to be born here -- -- can practice my religion freely and have every opportunity in the world to live by your dreams and you -- -- to do absolutely so grateful for my husband and for our families.
And for people like my brother and all those like him who serve this country in the military.
He's getting ready to ship out again thank you to everyone who serves as he does in your feelings because you serve along until.
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