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Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) joins Alan to discuss his attempt to block legislation that would allow indefinite detention of terror suspects.
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Handful of Kentucky's center thank you so much fun and appreciate very much.
-- -- the national defense authorization act.
It needs to get more attention I'm glad you're talking about it and how dangerous it is to have certain provisions in here that would really.
Allow the terrorist to say that they indeed have won the battle.
But you know -- -- -- -- written now all I ask Senator McCain on the floor could a US citizen be sent to autumn of paying him.
And kept indefinitely without a trial.
In his response was he asked if there -- a threat.
And my my response to him is who gets to determine what Europe -- And their point is well.
Criminal people accuse of crimes are projected by the constitution.
But these people are not criminals their enemy -- that the whole point is -- have to make that decision.
If you're US citizen.
There's like 600 years Anglo Saxon law that says that he ought to get some due process.
Before going to jail.
This -- you one of the few Republicans as I understand it that is coming out against this the administration's threaten to veto it.
I think I think is Mark Kirk is on your side on this but that's about it.
Angela you -- senator Kirk has been very eloquent in not responding to this when in doubt.
Many on the other side the constitutional provisions for trial by jury for due process for a -- And the response from many of those on the other side was oh yeah that's for criminals but these are not criminals.
It really can actually he had argument that but who gets to define who is a criminal who's now hot.
I also think bit.
They tend to forget we live in a society where the most despicable people people who accused of murder rape and at a Celia.
We give them trials.
And it may sound terrible but we give people trial accused of terrible crimes.
And that's what terrorism and leaders and and I wanna lock them up and -- If they're guilty but -- I don't want American citizen but in a prison with no trauma.
And how about the fact there's already worked look at Jose Padilla look at the number of civilian trials have already taken place.
That lock up a number the bad guys.
Yeah and it has worked and the where our -- -- that he several have now convicted in our court.
In fact I live and it's all rolled down Bowling Green, Kentucky.
And we have to Iraqis right now accused of terrorism.
And they're gonna go to the federal court system and I assume.
The evidence looks pretty strong but I assume that the jury the jury will convict them.
And -- I think there is a difference between where you all so for example -- you're.
-- battlefield in Afghanistan.
I really don't think -- should be brought to New York City or be ranger Miranda rights.
But there is a difference being in the United States being a US citizen.
And I just can't she's spending a US citizen to Guantanamo Bay without a trial.
Any idea that the military and it could we now consider the United States homeland and battlefield is Lindsey Graham senator Graham is.
And that anybody than in that battlefield to be rounded up and sent to gitmo.
By the military know we have laws against the idea that the military would do domestic law enforcement.
Yeah after the civil war we have something called the -- -- hottest act.
And it sent soldiers couldn't be used because they were using northern soldiers and union soldiers in the states.
They said they couldn't be used cheer that specific states.
And some of actually argued that this would be detrimental to.
Capturing terrorists because for example let's say -- that a terrorist in my city Bowling Green.
The local police want to watch embassy these communicating with what are the US military and got and that's you know you're gonna reading -- -- -- -- And put him in jail well maybe we.
Abbreviated the investigation.
That we bought archer they found out watching them over time.
There's a big change -- you -- the danger rears.
In this is what Madison's at Madison shipped yet.
We have a government of angels we wouldn't have to worry about this but the word is that some day.
We -- elect somebody in Germany they made the mistake of electing Hitler.
-- rules on the books that would allow someone.
Then to abuse of public because they -- agreed with him politically or he decided vilify a certain ethnic group.
-- -- senator Rand Paul of Kentucky says something in the senate floor which really is he and -- on -- moment ago this idea that the terrorists win this the idea that.
You know who hurts our freedom more than us.
We'd be -- seem to be the -- since 9/11 with the Patriot Act for example that and more to compromise our own freedom in the paint than the enemy could have ridiculous.
Yeah and anyway I'm disappointed -- -- they have all been here almost here but I get discouraged -- I had one other amendment to the defense still look at that a formal and the Iraq War.
And I couldn't get even all the Democrats voted against Iraq War originally about which we ended now even though the troops are coming home.
And -- tried to tell on this is about division of power.
Congress was given the power to declare war this is about taking that power -- and leave that out the air in five years a new precedent.
Could send a 10200000.
Troops to Iraq in a new war and -- no vote.
Take that power back yeah you know this -- powers is important.
And I got thirty votes -- disappointing.
Where things I admire that view is this is not in the united -- on ideological he ideological issue and if you're willing to stand up.
Would you believe is right and constitution regardless of what it.
How it affects your party -- -- the same thing to a democratic is Democrats are necessarily.
-- you just pointed out doing the right thing either because they often will defer to politics rather than what that's right what's right by the constitution.
Well it was a good example earlier in the year had an amendment in my amendment.
-- pres Obama exact.
2007.
He said no president should unilaterally have the authority to go to war without congressional authority -- this is when Libya came up.
-- traditional words to vote yes certain -- yeah the senate.
On his words I got ten Republicans and no Democrats -- don't -- well he's just trying to beat up on the president.
And I and I told them yeah -- ears and say that this had been President Bush or had been a Republican.
I would include an -- and I think many don't believe that not one of you had the courage to stand up and support proto.
Mature well I don't I like he would what with the there's the Udall amendment to this defense authorization act senator Mark Udall of Colorado I presume you're supporting that.
That would take out the bad parts of this act that would prevent this.
What should be illegal detention -- potentially American citizens.
I did it it was defeated and we have one more chance -- any of your listeners -- interest in this.
They will call their senators tomorrow or the next day we're gonna vote on the Feinstein amendment.
In the Feinstein amendment would preclude this from applying see you US citizens -- -- US citizen could take it being taken to Guantanamo Bay.
It's -- Feinstein amendment passes.
But it -- danger and we have a chance we think it may do better than Udall ma'am -- -- supported you don't but I'm also in the sport on Sodom and and definitely need some calls particularly to republic.
Let them know that well Republicans ought to believe in civil liberties also because there's a danger someday that because general pro life sticker -- Or.
And are based occur that you could be targeted -- all -- -- on who's in power.
And we want to have government pick a target you based on your ideology.
Why do you think the Feinstein a member has a better chance Sunday -- amendment.
I think it's more narrow and instead of affecting several sentence all and is my understanding is is it says US citizens don't apply.
So they cannot if these detainees provisions.
On US citizens and I think that's the most alarming thing.
About this is the US citizens could go to Guantanamo Bay and I ask that question directly -- -- -- -- -- -- yes if there -- threats.
But that's the whole question who gets to determine -- there's a criminal who's an enemy combatant -- threatened out of work.
In -- you know ahead of time senator appreciate your talking it was thanks so much for your time tonight.
Thank you thanks very.
