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Reigning in the power of the EPA is -- jobs creator or is that killer of people.
Republicans say new legislation -- the teeth out of some strong environmental rules will actually help put people back to work but democratic senator Barbara Boxer says there.
They have attached to poison pill.
-- -- because it will kill 8100.
More people than otherwise would have been killed from pollution.
Wow so more jobs or more death.
Our body of David has been welcome to Forbes on FOX let's go is -- his -- Steve Forbes rich Carl Gardner Rick Unger Dennis still can't make Nicolaus and Victoria -- so state if you're against easy PA -- you're killer.
Well David the biggest emitter of toxic emissions is the mouth of Barbara Boxer -- this that this is absolutely demagoguery.
This -- EPA rule killed forty to 60000 jobs as many as 300000 when it and direct jobs.
And the fact of the matter is the EPA has two choices.
And that is a low threshold.
Were by that above that threshold it is harmful or no threshold standard.
-- -- for the no threshold standard actually unnecessary for the health of of this country.
So -- now what about this killing 8000 -- a -- kind of strong rhetoric isn't it.
You know but once again the narrative is just it's a great narrative but it's simply not true in fact I've got some awesome fact.
I'm going to the notes quickly University of Massachusetts political economy research institute what -- they report.
Every year clean air and water rules create 300000.
New jobs in this country.
According to the 2010 report to congress.
Clean air and water regulations between 1999.
Have created 533.
Billion -- economic benefits what it costs 29 billion.
This is not anywhere near a job killer the EPA creates jobs I got the facts.
Happy to put them online at Forbes and happy to put them online -- -- is so so rich according to Rick not only DE PA rules.
Could help people but they actually create jobs do you buy that.
No I don't because American Electric Power for instance says that the EPA they said this in June.
Will cost them six billion dollars so these fly in the face of bricks back Sloc President Obama when he was running for president in 2008.
Said that electricity costs would skyrocket.
If his cap and trade passed his cap and trade didn't -- so he's trying to legislate.
Against coal fired plants because that's -- talking about here -- these industrial boilers.
By other means Lisa Jackson.
Steven Chu -- the head of the department of energy and President Obama are.
Are hell bent on closing down coal fired plants in this country and this is just yet another way to try to do it.
Are -- Victoria let's let's get back to that made quite a boxer -- do you really think that if you're against easy being written EPA -- You you're gonna end up killing 8000 people.
No she is being a little extreme.
To say the least.
But have you -- China.
We do not want our air to be like the air in Beijing have you been to Mexico.
Are recycled batteries are going there and those kids are ending up with lead poisoning.
There is a place for environmental regulation.
The EPA has its faults it gave us Mercury filled light bulbs and you have to call 1800 number to figure out how to recycle them.
Needless to say I have a stash of Mercury light bulbs in my home.
But this is a case where it actually makes sense they're going after industrial boilers.
That are polluting Mercury and they haven't been regulated so I'm actually in favor of this and there are only got going after the largest -- so they have scaled back -- Dennis pressure from.
Dennis I covered Mexico for twelve years I was there aren't quite a bit and frankly our -- is nowhere near as polluters they're so do we really need more regulation -- Big EPA has decided for the first time.
That the carbon dioxide that we breathe out is now.
A toxic hazardous substance that needs to be regulated the EPA is out of control.
Are they gonna install officers inside Madison Square Garden because there's too much.
Breathing out the thought that EPA rules create jobs is one of the most silly ridiculous things I've heard.
Out of anyone on this show ever the EPA should be killed.
-- right it is a jobs killer.
And Jim according to a guy from the national association manufacturers I guess he's looked and all his stuff Jay -- he says.
These new these EPA rules will do significant harm to job growth and investment at a critical time.
In our recovery so what do you -- recover or this guy from -- -- fractures.
I ever have to go -- I exactly exactly.
I love -- gotten -- you're definitely on appointment as especially on this one because.
When the first ever national standard -- -- Economic Policy Institute actually -- found that 81.
Thousand to 100000.
Jobs but actually be created with that rule alone and so if you go ahead and you ease these standards are even -- the EPA we're going to lose more jobs.
And I think that indicate that if you actually easing standards that is what is stimulate the economy and it's really actually a currencies other companies to hire more people it's completely -- -- Lot of say because my hair is about to explode here to talk about completely absurd Steve have you ever heard.
-- more EPA regulations creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.
While David that's like saying if you -- tell farmers that they have to use of course plows again.
Yes that would create more jobs and make the horse plows -- -- kill productivity.
And they have an agenda here it's not based on science it's based on ideology and junk science if they had a have standard.
Where above a certain level above a certain threshold health would be harm that would be one thing but they rig the process this is pure ideology.
Nothing to do with health everything to do with this rich says getting rid of coal fired.
Plants okay well Rick is Kim's outside bring your very likable guy your Q factor as we -- a business is very hot right.
We love -- -- -- delightful that's why we have got but I don't why it.
I just don't apply that more EPA regulations which make life tough -- and cost more money for manufacturers.
Is going to create more jobs here where I personally got from.
Like I said and I did not make the members that -- where the Johnson -- -- little else did someone else.
Yeah I don't know I can.
What kind of get you don't get all Africans got jealous words they're going to -- Glad you were they are not government jobs they're coming from the replacement of all of an updated power plants which are being replaced with clear and more efficient energy sources so that your company did not.
I every single year and what Halloween -- companies decide what is more efficient and better for their bases -- do you have my kids.
Got to bring an -- and I.
And I don't not Victoria.
I'm I'm afraid that what it tells me sort of reminds you the promises we heard about solar energy that eventually they're gonna be able to create jobs were eventually -- we're gonna have a beautiful clean environment where there is no.
We're gonna look harder -- go -- and cash for clunkers.
He and -- are right in the sense of the job that he -- he's describing.
Are essentially attacks on doing business right it's not counting toward your productivity but at the same time that -- have you tried to go French not in Beijing.
I mean you can't -- -- on the yeah.
-- -- Always -- about the greens do you -- the that the fear fifth both extreme picture really packed every role here to pick it.
But -- I don't think it's just because Victoria has a beautiful Green dress on does not -- -- agree I don't Garnett.
The color -- you know I am.
I am not -- greedy but I don't think that you can entirely trust.
Private businesses when it comes to the environment -- yeah.
-- -- -- learning and certainly to articulate.
Mountain -- yeah there's a thought there's a flaw in that the numbers that Rick kongers cited and that's.
That it's not net jobs.
He's operating under the broken windows theory that if you break windows you create jobs by you know causing people have to go and replace the windows if you destroy.
Coal fired plants and replace -- with something -- you're gonna create jobs but how many jobs that you destroyed.
In the meantime guys that we could go on for an hour and this is a great topic for.
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