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And welcome back it have been a a year of some dramatic developments on the president's health care overhaul.
But -- the calendar turns over three stories really stand out the first came on Giuliani.
When an extensive survey of big companies they found that 30%.
We definitely or probably stop offering insurance to their employees after the laws implemented in 2014.
Second and October 14 the Department of Health and Human Services completes a review of the class act.
That is the first national plan for long term care insurance and essentially.
Ditches the idea and and third finally on December 19 the Supreme Court announces.
That it will hear an unprecedented weeks' worth of arguments to determine whether the health care overhaul.
Doctor Mark Siegel -- a member of the Fox News medical aid came at a professor of medicine hat in why you land on medical center and doctor Cathleen London is eight -- practice position.
And assistant professor at will Cornell medical college and New York Presbyterian Hospital thank you thanks for joining and -- -- So I wanna get through this out piece by piece these three points that we made the first point being that.
A survey found that.
Of employers would definitely -- probably stop offering insurance to their employees doctor -- I Begin with you.
Not a get think.
Well actually -- and I think McKenzie is a very very valuable consulting firm that a lot of people pay attention to it was actually 30% up to 50%.
And they looked at thirteen hundred companies and I don't know if that's the exact percentage I think the point here is.
That it's probably likely that some percentage of significant percentage of employers are going to dump.
Their employees on to the state exchanges where some of them over -- require federal subsidies and that's more money coming out of taxpayer dollar.
Because the companies are gonna say the large companies are gonna say hey I'd rather pay the penalty and with the economy still going south I cannot afford.
We continue to keep these employees on the on -- on the payroll for health care benefit and that that's very legitimate.
And that penalty being up to 2000 dollars her full time worker doctor Monday.
You know beyond the survey you move it to the Congressional Budget Office.
Their estimates showed that employers would have to pay on average about 5000.
For individual plan or 121000.
For a family plan said the bottom line is going to go up.
OK but -- you have to look at all the other studies that came out we've got this in the Kansas City goes against -- the urban institute.
Alum as as well as Mercer -- three different studies.
Today it came our service rather then they go against that also goes against the data that we have Hawaii is had a mandate since 1974.
Massachusetts is -- -- -- differences don't have a mandate.
And that's what we're seeing there isn't that employers are dropped thanks so.
You know whether goes up -- -- home mother issue and that gets more into.
Private insurers and their is no public option and and the rest of it says that the -- that half the public option seemed to do batter more people are covered Hawaii has -- one of the lowest Massachusetts is 95% coverage -- I don't think that we can argue the that it will go up and doctor -- I'll stay with you.
Talk to be a little bit more about the second point that we made.
You know on October 14 the Department of Health and Human Services they.
He has completed its review of the class act they essentially just threw it out.
What class was doomed from the start that was almost unknown thing if you look at how was even included.
It we -- Senator Kennedy had passed away and this was really his baby.
And we had senator Dodd in his place putting it in thinking he didn't have the support and then turns around and senator Gregg a Republican and puts it well all of us put this amendment in here that I have to be you know if it's cities towns and -- behold it passed and was put band.
And it became more of a political football to try to bring it out so when it came down to that there isn't fiscally.
Way to do this -- ministers where did the right thing and took it out doctor -- eagerly shaking.
I look at -- little -- -- because I think the community living assistance services -- inspired -- -- by -- -- Senator Kennedy and she says you know he's but -- -- kind of the inspiration behind all of obamacare it's the problem with Obama -- it's this huge behemoth that wasn't thought out and each of the particulars.
Class actually supposed to help people when they get very sick long term care but it wasn't thought out in advance that's the problem of the bill in general of course it doesn't work.
And many many parts of Obama Kara gonna fall away and just the same fashion.
All right doctor -- doctor London thank you both for joining us we appreciate you have to -- -- up -- that --
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