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How will economy factor into 2012 campaigns?
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- Date Jan 11, 2012
How will economy factor into 2012 campaigns?
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Another edition of special report on line I'm Bret -- start the little delay there hopefully everyone can see us and hear us.
If you can't.
But you would have heard that and picked -- Anyway -- put on line starts right now with our panel bill shock and Charles.
Rudely interrupted because -- come to the end of the segment as you were making your point about the Mitt Romney statement I like to be able to fire people provide services to -- yes my point.
Simply put is it could come back to haunt him because it's so easy to see it.
Being taken out of context which it would be and put next to video -- people being fired and so forth.
I I also thought though that there was something very interest thing about Romney's.
Acceptance speech if that's the word.
The trying to associate the president with Europe did anyone notice that to talk about how this president a few times -- -- says we don't wanna become Europe.
And NYSE is that's an interest in bet on the future events news events of this year namely the constant debt crisis news drumbeat coming out of Europe and the possible -- -- -- -- Which is a two -- because it it would be the thing that would damage the US economy if anything -- and you could argue that the president's policies are Condit -- would put us on that same road so he's planning -- was very interest and well.
It also hearkens back to President Obama.
Then candidate Obama making that speech in Berlin and people scratching their heads saying what's he doing over there talking and -- land and what does this mean easy the president of will -- be the president of Europe for the president so it kind of touches on that -- While not outright saying -- Charles.
And remember what he said in Berlin -- -- citizen of the United States -- citizen of the world I think he started by saying those two.
And Americans don't traditionally see themselves as citizens in the world they.
They believe you know they're involved in the world they -- the world they've liberated two large swathes of the world but they're not citizens of the world.
And the dilution of nationalism is the project of Europe.
It's not the project from the United States and I think it speaks of the sort of the general idea.
That Obama has a different conception of America's role in the world.
And even the nature of the American systems and say Romney does not to say that Obama is wrong but it's different.
And I think it's legitimate for.
A Republican presidential candidate.
Went to make that point particularly.
When the president has outlined the beginning of his.
First term and agenda which was I think you can describe it as social democratic to make -- more like Europe.
And the most important element of that was bringing it.
Into the United States but every European country has so much America doesn't have.
Essentially national health care.
Campaigns are so amazing I was thinking about this up in New Hampshire who would have thought -- -- from the public concern is running against them -- vulnerable because he.
Did pass Romney care in Massachusetts which arguably is -- someone like Obama care and arguably conservatives don't like it much.
Are -- is working that well -- this.
And we're debating Bain Capital for the final subject to Harrison in the primary there just it really is a reminder everything where these gaps I think some things that people think -- going to be gas.
The data said that they have to -- set I remember I was on this show Reverend Billy -- -- something was going to be a memorable -- I was general -- -- memorable yeah well yeah.
Well they did I get I get remember what the memorable perhaps was derivatives and this I don't remember I don't.
I mean is what takes off in campaigns and what voters find.
Revealing about people's personalities and backgrounds is so unpredictable you know and it's it is one reason some fun.
Good things in the attack line on Romney now he's a vulture capitalist who introduced social life -- medicine.
That's the argument and one -- -- and you know doesn't really fit on a bumper sticker but almost and it's weird contradictory.
Chuck you are saying if you look at history his father.
Running had a moment is that was taken out of context -- -- right well his father memorably I think we all remember this for political -- among us.
Referred to as having been quote unquote brainwashed by US officials when he went to Vietnam and that that had.
Distorted his view of the war if you go back and look at the tape which is on YouTube it's clear that that comment.
Was taken out of context later on but it survived.
To this very day as -- -- you know sort of things that went in George Romney's.
You know there is com.
A problem though that.
Getting back -- -- just said that they're wrong it's gonna face and he can't brag about the one thing it was his signature piece of legislation as governor.
So what he's gonna brag about is his business record.
And now people found a way to attack him on that and I think he's got to hurry up.
They come up with a very very convincing counterattack I mean pronto.
Because if not he can start.
You know bleeding on that point again I'm not saying this.
How to -- advocacy for him but you'd think that they would -- then a little more prepared to fight this a little more convincingly a little earlier in the camp.
That in Florida says the 24 hour news cycle keeps all -- in the news longer.
Probably true Scott says Ron Paul as VP cannot be any worse than Dan Quayle or Joseph Biden.
That would be an interest in -- Well if you want development if you -- -- vice president who is 76 years old you know have Adam but that just remind you one other thing we're evaluating Romney now in isolation.
He will run as the top of the ticket if he wins if he wins I hasten.
Hastened -- because like bill I don't think this is over by a long shot.
But you know it could all be completely different depending on the running mate and they have -- the Republicans do have some people who would be pretty.
Pretty strong -- can we talk about Santorum and his chances in South Carolina a lot of people typing in about.
Charles you wrote about them what about his his.
Well he's got he was damaged by what happened in New Hampshire there's no.
There's no way to mitigate that he got about.
He had single digits.
Came in fifth after this suppose -- balanced.
In Iowa I still think that if you look at the three conservatives of the race.
Preparing and Gingrich and Santorum.
He would be the one that you would if you had to pick a -- of -- line up.
And say which one is the more likely to get the most support to be.
Santorum he's got a history he's got a record he could allow the past -- -- he doesn't have a lot of baggage.
Perry is sort of stumbled around he and that Gingrich have now.
Gone into the vulture capitalist argument which enrages a lot of conservatives.
As a kind of a betrayal I think it will make them toxic in the end and I think if there is going to be one challenger who comes out of the conservative wing it's most likely Santorum on the other hand.
-- Perry have the money and it's a question is is the money more important than.
The persona for the record.
And the presentation which I think in -- suitcase is reasonably good.
Verity says so sick of crap Amber's advocacy of Romney he ought to take his own advice analysis not advocates.
What can I say I mean at the meetings that we have of the Republican establishment.
Full moon that the masonic temple of the line was handed down.
And we we go in lockstep.
Look I whose idea that was a joke -- Olympia you have to.
That's all I'm gonna say I mean I'm I'm you try to give an honest analysis.
I think what Ron Paul has done -- historic it's extremely important.
And it could be that when these two races run over in history is looking.
Had this year what Ron Paul has done in sort of main streaming is -- libertarians and could end up as the most historic event of 2012.
And I'm I'm not apply logic -- that's that's how I see it.
I'm trying to say I'm far from convinced that there's brand of -- terrorism has -- mainstream because I don't even think it's been examined I mean.
This is this is -- return is a mixed with sort of they hostility to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 efficacy of the gold standard for heaven's sakes.
On -- salute to withdraw all of these ten states from.
All international affairs he hasn't been and you know because we in the media frankly and a lot of voters to haven't taken them all that seriously and -- right.
Really -- an -- -- and increasing scrutiny and in recent weeks to some of that and -- -- and some of those platforms on the hard money issue.
There could be some leeway there that like him a nominee Romney could.
Could could Harden his stance on harmonic -- and -- the Fed a little -- on defense and abolishing.
Ronald Reagan actually appoint their goal commission uses he would run on the gold standard to which Ron Paul -- can actually move -- and it was and they -- -- -- very -- report didn't arguments for -- -- -- -- that is -- I -- that.
That's -- when it is more respectable arguments.
-- on the Santorum Gingrich.
Issue I mean I think Perry is the least likely of the three conservatives to emerge from South Carolina just because he's done the worst of both states I -- Santorum has a claim of having gotten.
Candidate -- -- Romney in Iowa.
Gingrich has the claim of doing adequately -- guess in both states.
And and being you know former speaker of the house.
I would if I said I think we -- -- for this off there and Iowa and New Hampshire and I sort of thought central movie and want to work.
In South Carolina I've just watching things -- -- as far as I just now I think it's I can't decide whether it's more likely to be Santorum or Gingrich there's something about Gingrich.
I think if I personally think -- -- there's a lot to -- for Santorum as the more respectable sound.
A conservative alternative but there's something about Gingrich he did ability to sort of maneuver quickly.
It's it's into the system that he's been around national politics a long time he's dramatic.
He can be effective in debates.
But I wouldn't bet against Gingrich -- rather than Santorum.
Possibly better than people expect -- very much you Charles on -- -- South Carolina we get an a for the result there that's when you know and they call for them could be between.
Eighteen and thirty I would say could be one of these 282422.
Eighteen type results and admiral who would be -- first and second and third and fourth.
And another want to -- There -- so interesting is that if anyone could take the populist.
-- It would've been Rick Perry.
I mean if he he could've taken it.
From the populist point of view the outsider the governor of Texas but it appears that he was so wounded throughout the early process that.
At least now in South Carolina it looks like an uphill battle.
You know I -- someone like himself wounded by us and own blunders I -- someone whose throw of -- -- -- -- them -- in America's history type.
As -- he didn't think it it ever happened before the degree to which the guy emerges suddenly he wasn't gonna run he's sort of talks -- running in June July.
Begins -- mid August goes actually to the top of the polls one -- Perry was in the thirties he was actually higher than run his -- nationally.
He within a month and then collapses -- -- single digits.
In another month it's really I mean usually things take a little -- Kirk to enterprise and -- and I do think the idea of Rick Perry was pretty much the right idea for the Republican electorate this time and the performance of Rick Perry.
Was worse than one could have believed possible from a big state governor who have been elected.
What treetops and in some -- it's because he wasn't out there.
Normally you start a campaign in the obscurity of Iowa New Hampshire.
Nobody's watching you you practice your stump speech should get involved.
In town and house people.
-- tough questions that you you get used to -- he -- Not only in the major leagues he ended up in the all star game on day one.
Without every having played in the minors and I think that showed.
Unless you've been there it takes a lot I mean look at how Romney said to take what five years to actually improve his game.
Perry had a really hard job and arguably his campaign if you believe some reporting.
Really do their job prepping him for those early debates.
Chuck what about the Ron Paul.
Thing about going to states that are not in the caucus states trying to get all these delegates.
Not playing in Florida he's making he's bringing -- a ton of money.
I went to a few events.
Ground swell is real I mean it's not fake.
He while he.
For many conservatives is scary on the issue foreign policy.
He does have this air about him that people.
Kind of connect with them he's a very sweet man when you talk to him his wife Carol is -- it.
Somebody would be their lives next door -- kind of softened some.
He's appealing and some.
Guess I'm cold and robotics because I've never got -- that whole thing about -- I find him.
Strangely auto didactic.
Answer of full of all kinds of weird Austrian economic concepts that he's constantly rattling on about I don't understand what.
People are bored to tears by this -- because he's just sort of standing up there are talking about esoteric economic theories and I don't want -- -- should put his email -- -- right here.
Ever -- about -- and people who I've written it many times I'm not -- Ron Paul fan and you know as to his influence on the party -- sort of think Charles is right you know he may go all the way to convention with a big passel of delegates and try and get himself a prime time speaking.
Thing but what was ultimately the impact of Pat Buchanan after 1990.
Counter and that's the -- was it is different that's it if you order analogy Pat Robertson I think is a better analogy 88 he surprises he does well.
He -- -- the convention he's not going to be the nominee and he doesn't have that much influence I wouldn't say if you -- 88 itself on the platform.
For twelve years later the George W.
Bush who wins the nomination in 2000 is very different from the George H.
In 1980 and that's partly because of those sort of Pat Roberts is different different descendants of Pat Robertson who arkansas' Pat Robertson let me start started I -- the policy and I think that's what Charles.
Talk about upon how -- of the reasons I talked actually fair amount of people in New Hampshire and bottom bottom some of those were for Paul.
And it wasn't of any particular issue on the -- -- that some of his mule.
Vocal activists the volunteers are motivated by either the monetary policy or the foreign policy stuff for drug legalization for that matter but that the waitress I talked to -- in the -- whenever wasn't into it -- in the in the tomorrow New Hampshire who is for Ron Paul is tradition want someone who really shake things up I think this is a problem George while it is.
Honestly that's a problem because the problem is that the mood of 2010 was.
Really change Washington really change policy we need big changes we're going off a cliff fifteen.
Trillion dollars in debt and all that and we have candidates who don't really speak to that mood as I know I would prefer someone else we're doing it that that you -- And that's what the number of Ron Paul has been in Washington -- less time and Washington are clear and -- congress kind of anti Washington Washington has no Landers are on but it I think he's kind of a phone which is eventually transition because the big swinging changes.
That people are hungry for it seems you have the wall street journal editorial page saying that Mitt Romney's economic plan was timid.
And that it was engaging in class warfare like President Obama now the -- -- journal editorial page is defending Mitt Romney saying.
We don't agree with him on all policy alliance but hey he is now a sympathetic figure to people who just a couple weeks ago were really hit them hard.
But I think -- issues specific I think they were defending him.
On the attack from game mission Perry on what he did today and I think.
The reason that the journal attacked him for that -- and economic policies because I think what he wanted to reduction capital gains would only apply to people under.
300 downloaded -- thousand dollars a year which plays into the Obama idea which sort of cancels out the idea that there's something fundamentally wrong.
About capital gains taxes although I think that the plan he put out for entitlement reform and cuts and government was a serious when I -- was the most.
Serious if any of the candidates embrace that after his 59 point launching well -- always thought that was not a pretty good idea 59 points.
You know it -- -- And I never wanna go higher than -- But I think let me just say one thing on -- car I don't -- it's just.
Anger at the system.
This -- in a moment that just happens to fit libertarians.
Country -- war we -- after ten years which always leads as it -- after Vietnam.
To any worse enemy and his is -- more radical.
And there's a huge.
Sort of opposition.
To the leviathan government which we saw in the Tea Party in 2010 he combines.
Those elements at a historical moment when the two.
Moods are there and that's why I think after quarter of -- century this is his moment and he's trying to build movements so can we agree on this panel that they're probably.
It's not that great chance that -- run as a third party because of that potential harm that it would do to his son.
Rand Paul and his aspirations perhaps even two run for president I think this is exactly 76.
He's not conceive of promised land.
-- and end up in the Oval Office he knows that he said that.
But if he -- the movement that's when he spoke about last night because -- strong he was.
The only losing candidate who was genuinely happy last night he was not faking.
Because of that is he sees the movement strong and he will give it over to Ryan -- hand -- the black book has this date as the key Amazon numbers.
As -- the -- have gone in Pyongyang can.
That's just a Joseph -- Yeah that's that's that's.
But I mean it's an interesting thing and I think that's probably why he will not run as -- part and we as a term.
And then -- Romney is being nice to him so far because he he doesn't wanna.
Provoke him to run as a third party and -- -- you -- for -- and -- who lives around me right I mean.
Largely in those debates he's been the conservative.
He's been the guy that attacks the other candidates and not rob yeah well as Carlos aims to come -- to Tampa as the strongest number two.
There's no advantage and -- round.
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