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Well what do you take a look at this it's the cover of the latest Newsweek -- -- just in a question on the lower left.
The one about Obama's critics being -- I -- fair and balanced lives -- my next guest has an answer to that but Newsweek may not want to -- -- -- I don't know whether I'd be better advised to have is a bit of a tape -- so you can't radio talk show hosts are brighter constitutional attorney extraordinaire mark Logan.
By the way here new book and arts opens the on making.
Of America and -- My bias in this I don't -- waited on the right or left what you need to read this you need to step back NC.
Historically what's going on in -- country.
Mark could just get to see.
May not very much for coming in the -- Yes I got the panic Santorum -- this one has deal written on very trot that's fine that's why we're gonna start this what do you want it now and I don't all right.
My first and obvious.
We have killed ourselves and you go back and and argue this has been at Augusta Republicans -- -- have it has to Democrats to bipartisan sort of a the -- some of our constitution it's point.
I was trying to -- what.
Is this force what is this theory that accept this push -- stated you know we have the greatest country on the face here not because of government.
Not because of state is -- because we're different.
And the American spirit the American people have a meaning you know shining city on the hill the American dream all these things.
The founders didn't invent these ideas they instituted a so where do these ideas come from on the other side.
What is this force that a lures millions of people to their own and -- went to their own demise and I wanted to take a close look at that.
And where else you start but played -- republic and you -- looked at Thomas Moore as utopia.
And a number these what's your big fear your saying that we're we're building our own casket here not my big fear is we're already in a post constitutional America we are.
In so many respects we've distance ourselves from our founding.
And my my big -- is people don't understand what our founding is all about -- -- want to.
It is about individual sovereignty is about the civil society it is about property rights all these things are inextricably linked.
These utopian things that are being pushed today they've been pushed for thousands of years and they only go one way and that's charity.
The government is attacking the individual I'm not a matter kissed on the constitutional.
But this constant effort to control health care.
Income inequality can you point to one time in human history there hasn't been in an income inequality income and equality is a fact.
Everybody we -- here and Obama forces and others say it's gotten out of whack now.
And that the disproportionate.
It is so bad -- that something's gotta be done what is marked -- in Canada.
-- more economic dislocation redistribute wealth for which there's no constitutional basis whatsoever.
Obama has some model that he wants to present and wants to impose on us on like not unlike others in the past.
But these models don't work there practicable factor impossible but he says that you raise the tax reported -- going away toward.
Even -- right and that proves the point he's the president the United States I looked at the constitution before coming over here.
And it doesn't say anything about him leveling playing fields and -- doesn't say anything about him transforming America.
In fact the framers of the constitution put the president in a box and congress.
And judges with a enumerated rights so I don't know where this fundamental transformation -- leveling the playing field comes from.
All I know as we get bigger more aggressive more authoritarian government which spreads more misery more poverty.
And you argue that their presidents of both stripes who have played with an expanded on what they believed to be the -- -- the constitution of -- north.
Who have to Woodrow Wilson goes to Teddy -- -- Clearly it in the case of Barack Obama ticket to another level.
What is your big fear that what happens to us as a result.
My big fear is we can't get out of this my big fear is in this sort of post constitutional environment.
When we go to vote next November so much of what the government does is unaffected by a stunningly of this massive fourth branch of government the administrative state.
Alexis de Tocqueville talked about it that's absolutely smother and we have so many departments and agencies and regulations being issued -- -- we can't even name them.
We don't know who's issuing them.
We don't know what we're gonna get hit or who's gonna get hit.
And so blown out of our would make a difference whether Barack Obama's -- what's -- -- Romney were the nominee -- he were well of course because Barack Obama wants to massively expand the administrative state.
Do you think he's a socialist.
I think he's -- Marxist.
Read the Communist manifesto I know this is painful for people to hear -- what do you think -- once he has.
So -- was a Marxist.
So whether we called socialism marxism I've been calling it state -- that and you acidity is reluctant that in the limitations.
Are off Friday -- -- -- whatever he wants that well I don't know about whatever he wants but he's pushing the envelope even now before -- -- with he's declaring the senate in recess and went as the president declared another branch in recess and make for appointments.
The way he did such wonders of president proudly Sarandon so I think it's argued -- Well he -- -- -- -- -- the first time I saw both of his hands they look like that.
But in the meantime US said that -- and when your famous funny your quality of a great show for those who don't get it.
Words and he's reluctant -- aren't students.
I don't vote -- pay a can of oranges so we're -- -- but you don't extend that to Ron Paul.
Well my problem what Ron Paul is this Ron Paul in the past the city's not a conservative and I agree with Ron Paul on the past the city's not a Republican I agree that a it would be ironic it ain't gonna happen.
But it would be ironic if he -- the nominee of -- party when he denounces Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Greg did you know he denounced Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.
I don't believe in secession not after the civil war I don't believe -- nullification not after the civil war.
I believe in taking -- console what if he were the nominee and it's against Barack Obama.
And at a Martin and I would have to -- you.
You'd be that desperate you are American citizen -- let me check have to write you what you do give kudos to the tea parties of the Tea Party -- movement as a helpful sign.
Its members come from all walks of life in every corner of the country but signs now mark that it is is is frosts.
Now why because and -- part of that movement because we don't rally every day in front of the capitol where that you're divided some like Mitt Romney somewhat more conservative members some.
Some don't know whether they've gone too far.
-- -- -- I don't know how we've gone too far what are we where we gone too far.
We're all united against Barack Obama that's the point now wolf duke it out in the Republican primary process but when push comes to shove.
Obama is the biggest disaster for those of us who believe in the constitution and individual solid candidates who believe what you believe -- -- -- Michelle Bachmann comes to mind with very maybe to a lesser degree.
Ones out the other.
Honestly doubt it's maybe I could be.
-- what happened while it's very strange you know they divided the conservative vote the Tea Party vote we'll see what happens.
You know the Tea Party movement started to three years ago -- the establishment been around since the establishment -- around these things take time.
Tremendous victory to November's ago I suspect -- -- some strong victories in this next election it's a processor chipping away.
Talk a little bit about the attitude right now going back to Wilson.
The idea to centralize and solid -- the federal -- define the relations between it and the individual.
So like the battle of our time and our times.
How is it different now vs what it was in his state just that was earlier in his state announced more over the top in our day.
He mindset is no different.
Fact the mindset is no different than a player does republic or or Thomas Hobbes leviathan -- Thomas -- as utopia.
What's different is for our country where well down the path now Woodrow Wilson.
Made no bones about the fact that he rejected aspects of the declaration of independence.
He rejected the constitution because he thought it was way too confining FDR did the same thing.
What this is utopian isn't as I call -- the underlying thinking behind the status -- is an attack on the individual.
In the individual sovereignty if people can understand that more -- so when you see these occupy wall streeters there an aberration of that -- -- -- -- -- they say enough is enough.
-- an example.
They attacked they government and big business and what -- they want more big government and more subsidies for big business so it I mean it's it's a confusing.
Positions so I extension when Newt Gingrich goes after Bain Capital and all of that and it since pulling it back what do you think about.
I thought it was an absurd political expediency but it had it and it Romney right it did and on the other hand Romney supported -- Which is a mass of the biggest bailout first financial rescue and it's the biggest one in American history.
And it was started by Republican president was supported by Mitt Romney.
So these things need to stop you wouldn't rescue anyone the president would then if we never had -- would not support any rescue for anyone not -- that's correct OK so.
Would that be.
Penny wise pound foolish in an argument for tonight review and we were critical of the rescues at the time President Bush had them.
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Better I do know he would have faced.
That the system -- declines to itself.
And a lot faster and a lot fit in our history and began two years ago history and Begin would be Great Depression.
And around and at a relatively -- -- for 9101000 years off and on and big things fail but our problem right now is the government's not just involved in big things -- involved in toilets and shower heads and light bulbs and on our medicine cabinet.
We're gonna make things can't fail little things can't -- on.
For a lot of that your fans who know you very well America hope you brings more historical -- -- -- for.
In other words you don't go ripping people and when as you do -- there on -- very popular radio show that by design.
No I mean my radio show we we get into a lot of cerebral stuff -- I -- I think we talk a lot about the constitution history except when you get liberal callers well I get certain callers who were looking for trouble and they can't travel.
It's it's just the nature of the the other night a guy who Barclays does say one thing yeah -- going to be -- liberal caller yes.
But but -- lot unity was he was someone else right how do you screen that.
Do you and then once you discovered you just go after them.
Once they get to the screener I screen and on the air yes a liar so I get rid of you don't have to if you're a liberal you don't have to -- to get on my program.
All that's required for liberally and on my program is speak in complete sentences that's home to your candidate for president right now would be -- I've sat on the air that if I had to vote today have a for Rick Santorum.
If it's converts and -- What's left that -- my man -- -- little left under eleven -- I know and I feel about it.
If it were down and it -- you could be OK with that.
Not enthusiastic but it's Sunday it's down the Mitt Romney I'd vote for Mitt Romney against Obama I go for an orange -- -- again -- Obama.
America so be it is the -- Mark -- and is the author.
He's had some great ones liberty and security men in -- but this one will make you think to the point.
That it will also make you vomit with anger and again I say that in -- -- what -- Mark -- and the loser is an article in the great one when it comes to these original thoughts.
The end it's moment.
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