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So most people would say that your chances of actually securing the nomination here.
Probably slim to none but -- -- -- -- securing the libertarian non nomination again maybe that would be a little bit I don't like I -- and.
The president I think but but you say it's about the message.
Up the message.
You know I share in the in the outraged that its the Tea Party has which is that we need to slash spending.
But I also share -- -- outrage that tough Occupy Wall Street is expressing and that is that this country is for sale it's all a level playing field.
And it -- and he.
And as governor of New Mexico.
I want to say that good government was easy it wasn't hard.
And it started with looking at the issues.
First and understanding the issues.
As opposed to partisan politics.
More than 750.
Vetoes these guys during your time I have I may have -- -- legislation.
In the other 49 governors in the country combined.
New Mexico is a state that's two to one Democrat.
So vetoing that much lead and I was an equal opportunity -- two -- who by the way were a vetoed a third of my vetoes were Republican bills the third -- legislature was Republican.
The fact the point being -- -- Republicans seem to grow government just like Democrats.
And I really believe in smaller government really believe in smaller government that is a libertarian agenda.
And libertarian agenda -- -- that I think most people agree with also is keeping government out of the bedroom.
Don't get the bedroom and told get the government making decisions on what you and I can or can't do in the bedroom and it's it's that's not a.
Place all right you cut taxes fourteen times while you were the governor.
Also and as you said you really believe in -- smaller government these.
See Rivera most people would say I guess these days for the Libertarian Party would be Ron Paul.
But you feel you can't just have this one guy.
As the standard -- Well no issue humans I think we as humans we need to hear from more than just one source to be able to understand issues is it's just comes from one person or one messenger.
It doesn't work it needs to be a number of messengers.
And you know what I'm one of those people that when I hear something twenty times its like.
I've heard that -- -- times but.
I'm just this is now hearing it I'm just now understanding it.
So it is that an important message and I want to shamelessly plug myself here to.
You know from a job creation standpoint they did an analysis of which -- would ship presidential candidate of all the presidential candidates had the best record on job creation.
-- that was me.
And I think I just created an environment in Mexico where that was able to take place.
Not creating one single job as governor of New Mexico.
And then the ACLU a couple weeks ago came out with a report card in the ACLU is a group that is dedicated to civil liberties.
It's dedicated the preservation.
Of of the bill of right of the first ten amendments in the constitution.
And I got their highest grade when it came to that.
When -- came the ACLU when I was governor.
We always we always laughed.
You know you might disagree with them meaning the ACLU whoo -- but they seem to always be right.
-- -- cool a lot of people you here saying oh well you know I like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy.
You -- foreign policy.
That's where Ron Paul and I would differently at least when it comes to words and we should maintain a strong national defense.
We should be vigilant against threats are real threats against the United States.
I'm promising to submit a balanced budget to congress in the year 2013.
Which is a 43%.
Reduction in federal spending believing.
That the biggest threat to our national security is the fact that we continue to spend more money than what we take -- So -- I lay out a 43% reduction in military spending.
Believing that we can in fact provide ourselves with a strong national defense.
Defense being the operative word as opposed to -- offense.
As opposed to nation but.
Yeah I know you make that point several times that that nation building should not be part of the military budget building schools roads and hospitals and other countries.
Not among the basic military obligations there is nation building and rebuilding to be done right here -- There is nation building and rebuilding to be done here at home and when it comes to foreign conflicts I was opposed to I Iraq from the get go I did not see a military threat.
I thought we had the military surveillance capability to see -- Iraq rule out any weapons of mass destruction that being the talk.
But I didn't think that was going to happen I thought if we went into Iraq we we're gonna find ourselves in a civil war to which there would be no end.
Afghanistan and I thought that was totally warranted we were attacked we attacked back.
But after having been in Afghanistan for six months we wiped out al-Qaeda that was ten years ago.
We seem to continue to involve ourselves in making decisions for other governments.
Nowhere in the constitution does it say that because we don't like a foreign leader.
That we should go in and topple that foreign leader Libya.
Look as much as we don't like.
Didn't like Qaddafi should we have involved ourselves and what I think is a civil war we're gonna pick a winner.
In Libya and in twenty years from now are we gonna find that -- new leader to be a to be Mubarak.
Where -- -- -- he's -- had it but he is less bad than the others I mean we made that decision.
That doesn't seem like something that our foreign policy should be based on.
-- when it comes to domestic spending.
You say the number one question that we should be asking is should the government be doing this in the first place.
So come back to my 750.
Vetoes nice save billions of dollars.
I stood up and said you know all this is going to end up doing all this -- on vetoing this legislation because all it's gonna really end up doing.
Is adding time and money for me as a citizen have to comply with these rules and regulations and laws.
As opposed to not not doing it's not gonna make a difference in anyone's life.
And yet it's gonna cost more and it's gonna take more of my time.
And that I think is so much of what government does is pay lip service problems the pass laws regarding problems -- -- Rules and regulations regarding issues and problems that.
Really don't make a difference at all zero difference but that's the growth that we have -- government I have a firm belief and less government.
Less government is better government.
Leave decisions do you and I.
There -- there's a reason for having attorneys and and court -- then they can arbitrate these issues as opposed.
To the government which I think does a very ineffective job of doing that.
Governor Gary Johnson the former governor of New Mexico and also out running for president on the libertarian line thank you so much for joining thank you very much for having me on -- rights.
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