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Forcing your boss to hand over your personal phone number and email address to union bosses.
That is exactly what the head of the National Labor Relations Board wants to do this year.
Is this an invasion of workers' rights and while public mean for jobs.
We'll have a lot of stroke -- -- welcome that passionate.
-- fashion -- -- this week we've got Wayne Rogers Jonathan Hoenig Tracy Byrnes and John Layfield.
Also joining us this week former senior advisor at the Treasury Department and columnist at the American banker is -- not so.
Welcome all of you -- -- help -- start with you you're outraged over this -- very frustrated you say this is.
A flat out.
Invasion of privacy.
Well of course it is any time that you are asking our our federal agents -- federal agency might -- an agency of the United States government.
Is reaching in -- telling somebody that you have to give information.
To build about one of your employees that's that's it this isn't total invasion of privacy invasion of the free market system employee employee are.
Our relationship should be between those two people like a marriage nobody has and in any business.
That messing around and then now the problem with the result of all of this is there a -- and the result of all of this is the fact.
That they did the agency about -- giving to reunion they have an -- agencies not saying you know you filing a tax return the federal government we got that information -- making you give that information.
-- of the union so the union can organize you.
I mean you know sweat -- disappeared in the eighteenth century this is not.
This is that just -- grabbed a power.
It's an it's -- it's a way for them but them.
President to get votes because -- and -- him you know he's he's got the unions -- -- -- -- engage with them.
Therefore that's what he's trying to do he's putting the pressure on them to do that.
As you point it doesn't create jobs like -- some overseas I see your point about about the president but the same time Tracy.
The head of the NLRB says that says that doesn't make the agency more efficient it's gonna help them run better communicate directly with those -- -- supposed to be over sand which is union members taking care of them.
What do you say.
Brainwashing them I mean what fact that listen to what you just.
That's crazy talk but look at what's really interesting though is all of this and the fact that we are talking about it gives the unions a bigger voice than they actually have.
This -- membership a shrinking by the second but -- -- all this crazy stuff that like Wayne says hearkens us back to the sweatshops.
It gives the unions of voice and actually puts isn't still a position out there they are the largest campaign contributors still.
To that president's reelection in the probably will be again and so unfortunately.
They're gonna stick their -- where they don't belong it is a complete invasion of privacy you know citizen -- Hear from business -- some Republicans and any business that is my country.
Is that this is -- an invasion of privacy but it's giving too much power.
To the board and two unions who many companies are ready in a death -- flight when it comes to revenues.
Look this this proposal is really about.
Making sure that companies are not being obstructionist.
I towards unionizing activities and -- and histories of that in the past and so.
Yeah there's a really easy way to solve the privacy issue which is that you let employees tell their employer that they want to opt out but I don't want -- -- given to the union.
The idea that.
Companies act and -- employees of those companies shouldn't be able to make sure that they all have a voice and are all able to -- union activities.
It's a little silly -- what are the companies afraid out here.
Well I think what and that's what the issue of job creation Jonathan Hoenig I think what they're afraid of is that.
When you have unions if you do have more powerful unions.
A lot of times the financial cost -- company's outweighs the idea that you could hire more employees would you rather hire more employees.
Or have to deal with a union that could be cost prohibitive.
And and it cost him -- the union -- to your point but a whole really.
Branch of government that is dedicated to serving not the individual but the union I mean the very fact that we have.
And an hour LB once again arm of -- government specifically for the unions is absurd it's certainly not a constitution with a product of not surprisingly FDR and that your -- It's not a question of privacy of -- -- it's a question of property rights the unions don't own a company they sure -- their -- the company that information is.
They're -- property.
And for governments it to come in through -- since -- -- -- you have to give it to someone else.
Is patently absurd and it's a terrible drain on the -- John Layfield -- this -- in your mind an anti business idea.
And not necessarily anti business is just pro union they've been fighting over power struggle since the NRA.
Created in all Erica and OR BS -- and said under FDR administration.
And remember the NRA was deemed unconstitutional.
Because it was such a gross expansion of federal powers.
-- had five million people won't strike.
Was crippling the economy and that's the Taft Hartley act came -- and limited what they said were radical people at the head of unions and -- -- that create one of the biggest booms of the last century this is simply a power grab by the unions is what -- what they do.
But it's also not -- behavior to negotiate against them don't get out negotiator because you're crippling business if you do.
Susan to Wayne's point here mean the unions I mean membership is dwindling in fact.
Of the public sector is unionize only 6% of the private -- -- so muted reluctant to the private sector up their membership.
Right and I you know I think that it's getting so over -- on the idea that.
The one particular provision like this is gonna somehow starts washing job creation is ridiculous I mean -- it's only 6% of the private sector work -- they don't like to see it more unions are threatened but the idea unions has become a threatened idea.
Right but -- my point is why should companies be afraid if you're doing things the right way you know there are a lot of unions that are doing really good things in our company and you know in -- The company that the president mentioned in this State of the Union Address this this thing I think -- -- -- thanks.
The company -- you know -- Master lock in the union shop and they actually are not -- trading -- but -- bringing jobs back from China so this is a union operation that's actually able to be competitive in the global marketplace.
Which is not the story got all the anti union people want that kind of promote.
I was there but I -- against unions season you wouldn't have you hook up.
And well know Susan but since they have no rights I hope you agree that they have no unique -- they had the rights as individuals.
The employee makes an offer here's the job the -- can either take it.
Or hit the bricks and the fact that you would advocate government coming in and forcing the employers -- innocent fashion.
To -- isn't freedom at all this way about protecting workers' rights this is not about forcing change the way.
The question is jobs -- you brought that up with a big getting the question here is jobs is it jobs front.
I did -- but let me -- but let me -- well this is -- -- -- This forcing immediately got a bit -- if they like that the law at the National Labor Relations Board makes that the law that is what's in the it's not the individual's choice.
And that's an invasion of the individual's choice and that's an absolutely wrong and it should be struck down.
Now when you come back then you -- forgotten thanks to our jobs no in fact -- it will drive jobs all the cities that.
That -- and I don't blame for the bullying when I finally got an 81 example.
A second that's what exam I only finished excuse me do me.
Master lock key picks what example up why I found not much -- I picked out -- lot of back and go talk about that.
Reverend -- -- it probably knew five that didn't do it affect us that -- think I think bottom line is nobody wants these like.
Telemarketer Teamsters comment at home during dinner trying to drag me into their unions.
I think what didn't when are people realize at this point is unions have cost to the economy.
A lot of money we don't need worker protection anymore we get that we are in a very very different world than when these unions were originally created.
And so the cost to -- to protect themselves from all this is unfortunately taking away from hiring other people to jar labeled you grew up so what Tracy is saying here because what about the energy industry and think of drilling think of coal mines went up back group -- mean where does unions -- -- of that.
That very profitable.
Or what look at look at Doug carmakers look at the airlines look at based -- Those things were sunk by unions and those legacy calls that those units had built up over decades so you can pick and choose both sides this.
But if you wanna see what Tracy's talking about how right it is what -- money goes.
New car manufacturers are going into the south really don't have to deal with -- union states companies are building in states that are not unionized because they cannot simply afford -- the union legacy calls which build up over decades.
It's very simple -- money goes words -- -- and it's not going to union states.
You had to be up until you use the word baseball but.
Don't -- I don't know -- kill anybody Hezbollah and Israel are hard to -- steroids and I got in the coming up.
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