Voter Fraud in America
Dee Dee Benkie and Mark Mellman debate the impact of voter fraud
- Duration 16:19
- Date Feb 2, 2012
Dee Dee Benkie and Mark Mellman debate the impact of voter fraud
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Well I cannot process be relied on and be consistent fair across the country got the case in Maryland.
Where the campaign.
-- of the Republican governor was convicted of robo calls allegedly suppressing the vote.
Indication of Gingrich's campaign or work or allegedly forged signatures to get -- on the ballot in Virginia.
I didn't have enough they notified the same question I'm gonna ask two DD -- to mark -- and -- view.
This -- a problem how much how much of it is there and.
Yeah I think -- about I think it's about as isolated this is Super Bowl crowd.
There are so much going on in -- the reason is because it's different in every state every precinct every county.
It's murky it's tough to catch.
And catch it after the fact you know here -- are you I mean it thank you for your work -- -- -- just awesome and you are just a soldier there you know watching the voter fraud and bring you catch at this time a former democratic governor under president -- Send governor curtain and and it was -- -- -- just two years ago you know let's after the fact we've learned about it a bit what do we do about it -- President -- -- there.
That's the problem they say well we'll look at later one minutes to play so you know and it's just over a hundred or so boats.
You know that's likely that it was fraudulent and what's happening what is a prosecutor doing anything about it isn't just sitting there probably some -- he's a Democrat.
While -- -- -- -- the prosecutors -- -- -- they have said they're investigating we -- call on -- we -- take what we call that -- started October and we -- -- perfect -- now look at their eyes and January that's when they're brokers now October November December January February takes a lot of time to go over a hundred days doesn't -- we did call and they said they get back to us and they haven't -- -- I should call one of the voters.
Who told us that person future was fakes -- -- and I asked did the investigators call her yet and she said now.
Mark -- they probably a little problem what do you think I welcome thanks for joining us today.
Thank you -- pleasure to be a you don't any voter fraud is too much whether it's Newt Gingrich or rather it's that the people you're talking about in Indiana -- -- however might be.
Any of -- -- is too much but.
The reality is it is very isolated you know the attorney he -- -- interstate in Kansas went -- -- documented 227.
-- voter fraud in Kansas from 1996.
Well that's not very many of millions of ballots cast.
In in Kansas over that period and then the newspaper the Wichita eagle went and found.
-- the people who said was voted with their daddies and look I'm raking -- -- -- -- as far as I'm concerned so some of these cases of people say Arafat aren't even -- But the real quick so -- product be prosecuted.
But he is very excited the real problem here though is this is being used as a pretext to deny people their right to vote and that's a much more serious problem.
A vastly more serious problem when 10% of the people in this country who do -- citizens who do not have.
Are denied their right to vote.
That is a serious problem and to deny 10% of the citizens of this country the right to vote.
Because of the few people here and there have committed fraud is he's discussed how hard is that -- really.
I'm gonna ask you didn't want to many has hit many easy setting yourself you start without one -- many votes once fraudulent votes one vote tonight and that's like -- -- right.
-- -- -- -- -- How many people are you willing to take the vote away from.
To make sure you don't have -- -- had to take the vote away by showing a photo ID to you because you can it was 11% of the citizens of this country don't have.
No idea given that for free by the -- eat I'm sorry 11% of people do not have it.
Now if you wanted it would take its -- who's disabled confined to a wheelchair.
Ed doesn't have a driver's license.
You don't have to -- specials I can't you know.
Why that is our entire idea how un American if you want -- -- to have fraudulent voting you -- I was taking away because right yeah I don't I'm taking -- -- -- -- vote for or semi American.
I thought this is the bulk of photo ID argument that's huge and you could tell his emotional Indiana that one of the first laws -- the first slot was upheld by the Supreme Court.
Here's the argument I understand your argument the Democrats but by and large say that that suppresses votes Republicans and -- supporters say would -- now.
I did it to people is there's a piece of -- didn't -- good Democrat.
Doesn't matter you did a photo I -- -- that basically disenfranchises.
The real voters -- your voters that's not fair to people who actually are legal voters.
I know -- a K here's a question.
You did a photo ID to buy everything you thought -- idea to get on the plane you -- -- photo ID to get -- a fad.
And -- Justice Department how that Eric holders like button you can even didn't.
I've got a photo ID you know that's usually what but I want more more than there were many clients -- governments do different argument -- -- -- Constitutional right.
To vote you do not have a constitutional right to buy beer the Justice Department what about -- out looking away people's constitutional rights book.
This is a much more serious matter in determining whether or not they can get a -- all right let me -- if you think voting and buying beer before.
Yes are you.
And -- I did not understand how.
America your -- not a big deal like -- do you think it's okay for somebody to vote that says or somebody else do you think that's okay and there I did at least that I.
That's OK I want.
And I don't think that's okay and insists we hear about that photo I -- -- -- -- -- well that's right unless you happen to be somebody who's disabled who doesn't tribalism and is senior citizens I -- -- a guy here that's issued -- -- give one for free -- let me raise one other point which gets lost.
If you don't have a photo ID you can a file a provisional ballot or you can vote by absentee ballot.
A South Carolina have -- a photo ID for an absentee ballot many states are taking away that right as well for example.
One state said you know what we had early voting all this time.
-- for many years we're not gonna allowed on Sunday -- every other day.
We're not gonna let on Sunday why don't -- -- on Sunday you know why because people went from black churches to vote on Sunday in the data Friday -- I don't -- This is ridiculous you know that's a shame why do you -- why would you why do you think they lay off you know what why do you basic I don't.
About at a time he wanted to time you're asking the question why do you think they stopped early voting on Sunday what's -- what's the flawed rationale there.
They said it was to stop fraud what's more broadly about voting on Sunday that it is a voting on Saturday on Wednesday.
Well that's a local officials I mean are you telling me that we try I'm asking you how wouldn't.
Let's talk about him even if it isn't like our laws we -- -- change.
The argument was -- dot at this stage was we're gonna stop early voting on Sunday -- only we continue -- -- would stop on Sunday.
Because that is it promotes fraud -- ask you what the rationale is -- Sunday may -- well today and he's got all these different ways people are being handed decides when they haven't beaten.
Registration when they have voting for me it is different and this is the problem mark.
It should be standardized across the country.
It's wrong for our Ohio not to have photo ID it we have photo ID it's wrong for South Carolina and not have photo ID I think yeah.
We -- early voting on Sunday morning now -- should be standardized so we don't.
Pat is it wrong you know basically they had the -- -- him and I can take it away guys aren't whenever -- -- -- -- imagine what went dark on -- is that.
This is the issue one of the issues it's up to every local jurisdiction Martha probably decide what they wanna do and this is an issue other countries that have been deregulated -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and making an argument I don't let me and all of all right -- let me finish my thought it.
Should there be book -- shouldn't there be -- -- therapy.
A national standard.
Every county every state has its own issues.
And that's what this whole argument is even on voter lists yes I do think there should be mark a national standard for example.
This week for the first time they're actually putting the present -- petition signatures online so people can see if they signed -- if there's fraud.
Why don't potentially happen we if you go -- vote.
Have a database on the Internet the you could see that has your name that you voted.
Aren't there other ways maybe -- sides -- beyond or not even including photo ID that they that this could be cleaned up mark.
Do you -- lots of ways and it should be seen as -- a national basis and why isn't it.
Well the answer is there Republicans in the congress and objected to any attempt to add to that it had had -- that.
Federal laws on this subject because they say it it effects they write -- legislature.
I have no right even South Carolina you're wrong Eric Holder on that -- -- to take -- -- holding it up saying no we can't have fun -- you can't prove who you Lar.
You can't say hey I didn't make sure that you are the right voter I mean it's not fair to people who vote -- those -- vote fraudulently and illegally here.
Accusing him of everything going tonight yeah yeah yeah I thought about -- -- everything you're trying to when they're Republicans and that's crazy.
-- -- Louisiana I don't know federal legislation on -- tell -- standardizing everything across the nation.
Requires federal legislation.
Republican Party has objected to win federal legislation why on this subject.
You tell your rock of I guess that's how much with the Republicans that says no that was just a case that's Republicans are trying to organize they're trying to standardize on -- of the republic.
Becky that Iraq let me let's let -- and -- -- and you send a letter to the Republican Party and Democrats urging them to support a national federal standard.
I've loved him hey -- -- I thought that -- you get back.
I care what we -- Happen -- you get back on the man I noticed last autumn day about it and let's get some comments from folks and this one is there is no sane reason to not -- voter -- -- protector of votes from being illegally.
How is requiring photo ID taking away any rights most states provide a photo stat -- free.
For people who do not drive as the gas suggest people have a right to be.
Anonymous or impersonate.
Some analysts I think I've been very clear -- -- people don't have that right look at people.
I went in and it just does this but I'm so glad you're going gone through the question is what level of burden are you placing on somebody and -- -- -- -- that's our.
Let's move up the priority for second because mark okay so much let's take another aspect I just but I had a right understood Wisconsin where -- go ahead.
In the state of Wisconsin a photo ID that is a student ID is not valid.
Excited government issued ID I mean that would be what did you buy this hate that -- state institution.
Well I believe is tonight he just after -- that that's -- nobody I mean I don't want considered valid -- Well I'm just calling -- a fourth down in polls I would only certain IDs eye dominant all of should -- could be a driver's license or passport actually stretch I ominous okay.
In this country you know anything's gonna get a pass -- Nevada driver's license.
Issued ID probably.
The secretary's day or something about what you're doing this.
-- -- -- a national ID card for this country because everyone is opposed that historically in this country I don't know -- other -- you know I don't.
I'm -- wait let me let her stay and have a legitimate national why don't you stop the well I don't.
Lot of ground up nationally and remind our mark let me stop right.
There just add one thing Tony Blair supported and passed -- national ID card in Britain.
Which I didn't read his book read Tony Blair's book -- -- on the international I'd I'd.
Let me let me move on for second again for national ID rather well and I thought I -- -- -- -- -- -- even without why what did guys stop.
Mark -- -- here's a question this is what bothers me.
This voter fraud cases we've covered -- -- or done allegedly by the insiders.
In Troy, New York when you talk to Jim and the moment from -- the -- record.
You know I've been in Indiana compliment -- South Bend.
Allegedly the allegations are say the people who do the petitions do this.
How do you stop that Marcus is not a photo ID issue.
-- -- understand the process inside.
Where people don't know what goes on in the alleged smoke filled rooms and a way to stop that.
Well in that that that petitions are not generally sign in smoke filled rooms a look there is petition drive that's a much honestly a much more serious problem.
That voter fraud it's a lot more common.
And they -- truth is it's a very difficult thing to deal with ultimately but at the end of the day.
Do you do you really think did Newt Gingrich shouldn't be on the ballot in Virginia yet fraudulent signatures people should have a right to vote for.
You believe that Bill Clinton did Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama should not have been on the ballot in Indiana.
There -- voters about.
Really yeah -- think that's yeah it's you know -- okay they.
Behind what this is it all but you know you have this little girl as young.
You one other -- I'll probably you know no idea if that's the problem may get some -- and then then we're gonna move Disney and no allegation that bidding qualified and Gavin who I don't need the -- get some facts -- to -- -- -- that much harder time this is.
The facts these are the facts in South Bend.
In Indiana in -- congressional district need 500 signatures to qualify to get on the presidential primary ballot in 2008.
The Obama campaign in the second congressional districts -- that -- 534.
So they were 34.
They qualified with 534 there were 34 over the 500 limit.
Hillary Clinton so final -- she had a -- you know 204.
While they allegedly the reports say there -- about 150 signatures between them out of that were fraudulent including the former.
Democratic governor Joe Cannon of Indiana who told me that it wasn't his signature and other voters said that told me that -- So that theoretically it could drop what happens if it drops -- ball Obama's campaign from 500.
534 down below the number needed to qualify up and he still -- president of course -- Actually huge if it's a huge it.
-- -- you just mark.
I want you know if there's an investigation -- there -- nobody has -- no there's not a would have -- you're you're saying between those two and there's a hundred and whatever.
-- alleged yeah admitted and alleged there is not a scintilla of evidence -- If he can get hot and people said they -- -- included former democratic under current and this weekend so we did.
-- evidence that's one person okay there's not know there's more than -- we.
Actually have we have half a dozen or so but that's all part of the investigation but the bottom line is there's gonna -- -- a lot of evidence to suggest that there's enough fraud on either part individually.
To take those people off the ballot yeah.
Was he getting -- into broadcasting.
When he com I like Erica -- walk -- I would get thank you what I'm sorry I'm right you do not know -- go through 35 were the number is fraudulent signatures on the otherwise.
David why did fractional -- wasn't Iowa governor Arnold wasn't mine does has any got a bad I want you need 34 more right.
-- Do it and I.
I'm so I'm not gonna movies for a second deep into this question for me -- yeah do you have.
-- -- evidence that there is enough fraud.
There would have disqualified it's solid evidence that there's enough fraud to disqualified either of those candidates we have I have not talked at 34 people to -- To bring that below 500 that is thank you very much that is -- There -- got this I think I saw.
Let me just -- let me say one thing I'm saying those are the facts it's part of the investigation.
They say -- 150 signatures were forged.
And that raises the question of whether or not the Obama campaign had enough signatures.
Beyond belief that the 500 that they need legally got to get on the back off the -- and I would make let me just say one more point yet it doesn't challenge.
So you know you -- challenger within a certain time if it was challenged back then then theoretically it could have been challenge but it wasn't it all sailed through the saint Joseph county.
And -- registration board again.
Is there -- that the Wichita eagle found in Kansas and a guy who the secretary of state said was dead time.
-- -- -- Anyways I like our lives as the fact that somebody alleges it's true -- I did with we're gonna stop and our markets we've got one of the case you gotta get to like thank you this has been very spirited you really -- up this morning.
But it again and again you show OK --