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'Sleeping with Famous Men' author Elizabeth Kaye tells Alan why she has been much happier in life being the mistress and not the wife.
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-- Elizabeth Elizabeth K he's an all her sleeping with famous unmanned memories of an unconventional.
Love life she has been a contributing editor Esquire Rolling Stone in George magazine also wrote.
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Touch my questions here.
Have to win with these men did she allow them to whine complain about their wives are a bit cheaper if he -- why -- that taboo subject.
Elizabeth you hear the question.
I I I did -- sunny you know I.
Is that the great questions and in it in the first instance only did that give -- the Mac complain about it why.
In general I think -- that was a long time ago you were talking about you know this is the -- sixty in in in that situation.
When I think relations for a lot different but you know.
With the -- in general now I would not want to hear about the life I would not want to be compared to the white.
But I did think about something during the break which which I do want to have delays -- -- that.
The married men in this book and they're not all marriage they're also -- man who actually were happily unmarried.
But the ones who work.
Every single one of those men got divorced and not because it means they've gotten forward.
At a later time and every single one of them ended up after that.
In a marriage that has -- proved to be a lasting marriage.
And very happy -- help.
I think that you know.
When people are unhappy in the marriage.
-- you know.
There going to look for somebody else and you know I can understand that people would feel you know that is just awful what I guess I'm not proud of -- and I'm not ashamed of that.
Cynically political element to this Elizabeth -- You at some point got married you potent argument is the -- get at why did you then decide to become a life.
Well you now I I I think that did you call I mean the whole book me of -- gallon is about.
A search for love and so I don't think the choice to become a wife with me at the very much different than the choice to be with the -- You know I think people are all we gravitating toward they all this morning at and -- are all mature.
Early you know if you're gonna be with a married man are you with the mistress you with the other woman for so many these relationships.
You are not necessary looking to be the one and only with -- going to be somebody's wife that's a very different dynamic.
If you're gonna be somebody's life yes -- -- very different dynamic because of course with a married man.
He is the fact that he's going to be -- to you is -- they have you know he's gonna go home at the end of.
Did your husband cheat on him.
In the end he did and I actually felt that.
He -- to denied it but I know that he did and -- Really felt that I could never complain about it to myself for him or to the heavens.
Because I could never questioned the justice you know I really -- and I do think that this is what happens when you get involved with a married man.
Once you know how easy it is romantic by the afternoon with a woman you know and then you know -- just.
You know.
-- himself up and go home.
It's very very hard to ever trust anyone.
To -- -- the year.
It's a look at -- side of life that.
You know way I think one is better off not -- I mean it's certainly -- deep and dark part of human nature.
But once you've seen that you can never quite feel the same about.
Relationships but you know I've been in that very committed relationship for the last twelve years.
I wouldn't think of cheating on the command he wouldn't think of cheating on me -- -- I think I don't think I need to get merit I think marriage is good if you're having children I'm not gonna have children at and the other thing is okay you know and and and this may sound -- he's given the rest of my history.
I feel that the marriage about really is the sacred thing.
And I said it and I said -- was part and it didn't turn out to be true.
So I don't really understand -- -- point it -- -- man given their grants.
I don't I've written down I think that -- you know when I when I look back on my life I think.
-- that little bit like that song my way you now have to think I did all that you know and it's not.
It's not I met wonderful people I had -- me -- maybe if you.
The astronaut for instance such an extraordinary thing -- -- How -- you get you you know -- sit in the room with somebody you know who walked on the moon and who is showing you that the to a -- -- -- -- -- Did the man always have to be wealthy famous.
It -- they have to have certain some of those qualities and you couldn't -- -- with couldn't have been Joe -- you got involved with right.
My husband wasn't badly he became well known after we got married but he wasn't at all well known I was much more successful when he was at the time we got married and -- I didn't have any money.
The man I'm with now is is a wonderful guy who -- and if neither famous floor well they.
And I adore -- -- wonderful you know.
I just you know it's just sort of the way my life when I wasn't seeking alpha.
These people it.
Happen to me.
It was there ever sense of loneliness though that -- can't spend -- you can't spend Christmas you can't -- years you know the weekends is going to be with the other.
But we're not the -- you're the other well and easy to beat you with a wife and the family.
-- ever sense of her being bereft because of you -- that whole doesn't get filled in that kind of relationship.
Now of course that that that the -- the price you pay for not having you know maybe what it comes down to -- a certain level is you know do you have the courage to command.
You know and and and maybe people get involved with married men because they lack that courage but on the other hand the kind of man that I Matt -- Fascinating man that most people would be absolutely.
Thrilled to me and -- and you know top -- and find out about.
I'm not sorry about that because I think it was fascinating and as I say everybody came out all right I've been a wonderful book your relationship and all of these demands.
Sooner or later got divorced and got into marriages.
Did they remain in to this day so I think that this that and the wives you know what miserable -- I've read a lot who what what what we're not happy people.
Was the only relationship.
Where you thought it was forever at some point was your marriage perhaps in the -- in them.
The only feeling on the within the only -- -- thought to myself.
-- yourself this is forever.
Well there was one person I felt really deeply in love with them in in in the book is called the movie star.
And I think that in that particular case IE.
I really felt that I had -- You know I don't like the term particularly soul -- but that is -- I felt I had that I thought that I had -- exactly the right person.
And -- it was it took me a couple of years to get over that -- -- he was married he went back to his wife.
He needed to and he did -- And of course again I couldn't quarrel with that but at that point yet I was horribly for the -- and I just I I didn't want anything but him through that.
Quite -- do you think did you or did you.
It ever any point think of yourself as -- -- -- temptress.
Now I really did what I think that I that I have.
-- was appealing maybe was that I was.
-- -- -- -- -- -- You -- just the way I could you know if I was interviewing you for instance Alan I would get.
You're very interested in you -- wanna know you know.
How you think about this and what you have back that this yes I I just I have you know it's it's either inability or -- by the way they've been very interest.
We're we're just -- -- in his -- thank you so much excellent title of the book is closely with famous man memories of an unconventional love life eyeliner.
Is the publisher thank you Elizabeth -- -- -- -- Rotella and there was also much.
