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It's always been important for us.
To make clear that reconciliation.
Has to be Afghan led.
And what what President -- statement confirm.
Is that Afghanistan is now very much involved.
In the process of reconciliation.
And that that's extremely helpful in important.
To determining whether or not we are ultimately going to be able to us succeed with reconciliation -- -- peace talks.
Will be met the less we talk among them.
As the German defence minister saying.
Officials should not be talking about these peace talks going on between the US the Afghan government and the talent -- New element there is the Afghan government at the table we're back with the panel Charles what about this how it's been structured.
And how important it is to the overall effort.
There was some wisdom in -- -- -- spokesman.
Said Israel areas.
To see headlines that say Karzai announced the secret talks.
You know from the front page of -- post isn't exactly a secret talk anymore but what's happening here is that he's trying to become relevant.
The Taliban had refused to engage in negotiations with -- that is exactly what happened what -- negotiations with the north Vietnamese -- the end of the Vietnam War.
We're trying to draw down our troops get some kind of agreement and -- Hand over the fighting to the Vietnamese.
The north Vietnamese call the south Vietnamese government a -- and -- to engage in negotiations with anybody except us.
The the enemy in Afghanistan has done exactly the same thing in calling Karzai -- pump it up until now.
It looks as if they have accepted Karzai as a negotiator.
And as a result I think there's a a better chance of perhaps splitting off the good Taliban.
We're the ones who are prepared for some accommodation having an agreement.
In the end it's gonna end up like that negotiations in Paris on the Vietnam War here and of the Pakistan he'll be the fourth element of the table.
But the question is in the end when we are out will this end up with helicopters on the roof of the American Embassy in Kabul and nobody knows.
Want -- real question is can.
Hamid Karzai survived once NATO forces do start pulling out.
And perhaps that's what this is all that -- I think that is the heart and soul of a group.
The world changes in 2014 in Afghanistan.
Karzai's term ends US forces -- we.
So the question is being used Scranton Karzai as the US able to strengthen cars are going in between fourteen.
To establish the idea that there is a government their sovereign government.
And that the Taliban has to negotiate with whatever comes after Karzai because there's going to be a government and -- the Taliban wants to get on board and be part of that government.
They have to acknowledge Karzai and acknowledge the power of the United States at this moment.
I think that's that the critical element especially given the military purpose because that that members with the Taliban is being defeated -- this one by US -- Since many people -- you say Karzai's not exactly an inspiring leader.
And has she is I know what I guess that's.
Could fit accused of a lot of corruption and didn't he notes address yeah.
So what are your thoughts about how he factors into this.
I factory -- man is being not as important as he thinks he is for sure but look I mean coming Charles.
When it does.
As far got dumped up to the point of having a peace agreement in Vietnam I'm talking about in Vietnam and then what happened.
It was not enforced.
-- the north Vietnamese kept troops in south Vietnam and and then once the American troops of lives and left.
That you sleek.
Took the rest of the south Vietnam and it turned out the Viet -- with a 12 with a puppets they were complete fraud.
And north Vietnam -- over the same.
-- the whole country self.
Here we have the Taliban of course the Taliban wants a peace agreement.
Just like the north Vietnamese get a peace agreement that we'll see the American troops leave and then -- -- exploit it.
And it did defeat -- mean -- once said.
Of -- -- losing to the US troops in the NATO troops to put their doesn't.
-- -- Karzai and his troops and then they can.
Take over the country in the same way other north Vietnamese did.
Years and years ago 3040 years ago and I mean you could -- we've seen this movie.
-- American troops are gone.
-- it's all over the content and the -- -- one thing I would disagree with Charles and then maybe you being facetious about about the good Taliban.
Well they all want the same thing to do what's your bad.
-- -- the way you're leaving out is the role of Pakistan.
It's going to be decisive because he supports the bad.
Bad guys as well as some of the good bad guys but in the end it may not want it.
Completely hostile Afghanistan it wants Afghanistan neutralized so India is -- dominant it could accept an agreement.
That allowed American influence -- Karzai government in place.
-- and sustain it because of his influence over Afghanistan and that I think is our best hope it isn't.
Like the Chinese and the Russians who one -- us how to humiliated in Vietnam and.
The bad bad guys and the good that these guys like that -- known unknowns -- -- known unknowns and I magnolia arms back and you know I don't find it hard to believe that the pack he's gonna come to our -- -- -- really.
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