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I'm gonna go down in Washington DC Stephen Hayes is here.
To talk about super -- Stephen good to see you could do that I'm fantastic the priorities USA that's the committee that was founded by the end of the former Obama aides.
-- is a lot of money.
In January 59000 -- right now compared to -- let's talk about some the other day you know that the GOP candidates and what they've done.
Gingrich is the super Packers -- back to sports him -- in the neighborhood of eleven.
Million dollars -- that the main person behind that -- Mandelson is.
Las Vegas casino -- said that he is open to putting in as much as 100 million dollars of people think that that was sort of bravado that he's not actually likely.
To put in that much money to support Newt Gingrich but he said he's open to -- and he doesn't like people telling them how to spend his own money.
The -- thinking about.
Steve Brown attacking Mitt Romney.
On that op Ed that he wrote back in 2008 saying let Detroit go bankrupt they've released this that they haven't sort of scary.
Announcer in pulling over -- the Romney's over Romney saying let Detroit go bankrupt.
Repeating the word bankrupt trying to drive home the point that Steve was just talking about that that Mitt Romney favored something other than a government out of the auto industry.
You know it's just you know because a -- again he wasn't a super pacs and then all of a sudden now he's got the -- -- gone on there what why the changes it because of the low.
Numbers and he's gonna have the union money coming here.
Yes I think.
Look at I think anybody who thought he wasn't gonna takes effect -- was fooling themselves of course he was.
He's not gonna just seed this ground to Republicans and give them this kind of competitive advantage.
He did the same thing with public financing back in 2008 there was no question the president about.
Was eventually going to accept super pac money -- I think.
He decided to do it because he added as he said as as the people who are involved with his -- -- said he couldn't allow Republicans to spend it this way.
President Obama is likely to have an advantage in traditional.
Campaign fundraising and I think he didn't want to give Republicans an advantage in the super pac.
Well Jim Messina has campaign -- -- the campaign could allow for quote two sets of rules for the GOP and then the president -- -- I -- that makes that.
It -- Leo welcome -- our economy probably it's that it's the law what's what's the president supposed to do I don't have any problem what to -- it.
I think the loss stinks I think the way that this is this current campaign finance.
System has has ended up as a result.
You know sort of good government types trying to impose campaign finance rules.
Where they're just not gonna work the result has been and this system that really nobody likes an almost nobody is defending the current system the super pacs.
The way that they're operating now is not the best my preference would be to have.
A system where you allow individuals on limited giving as much as they want to give with instant disclosure.
And my argument is if if I can go -- -- Starbucks as soon as I'm done.
Talking to you here today and it shows up on my bank ledger tomorrow morning.
Why can't we do the same thing using similar technology with campaign finds the answers we could he talked of two people who know that world.
They tell you we -- it's just that we're not doing it.
I wanted to sort of ask -- the broader question about what's gonna happen tonight news debate the debates have been a real game changers you know in particular for people like.
Rick Perry and gain Jeter and that they kind of booted -- -- because of his the fragrances.
Newt Gingrich who has stellar performances and now and all of the debates.
What if it's gonna happen tonight and how you or is it to -- for a great performance tonight.
Yes he huge debate and arguably the most important debated the cycle if you look at what's at stake you mean you've got it now just several days before.
These very important primaries in Arizona and Michigan and you've got Washington caucuses on March 3 and then you've got Super Tuesday.
On March 6 so we're actually entering into a time period where in a rather compressed amount of time you've got a series.
Of contests that -- it go a long way to determining who the ultimate Republican nominee is although.
You know given the way that the cyclist -- -- reluctant to say that anything is is dispositive.
I think Rick Santorum needs to have a very strong debate tonight he needs to show people that he can be an electable conservative.
That doesn't mean backing away from positions that he's taken I think if he did that it would cut against his argument that he's a principled consistent conservative.
Mitt Romney on the other hand needs to show people that he can't be that conservative and if I were advising Mitt Romney out actually do something a little bit counter intuitive I would have a double down.
On the fact that he opposed the bail out of Michigan it's a you know what you're darn right -- I -- that here's how -- managed bankruptcy would work it doesn't mean we would have liquidated the auto.
Industry means that we would have sought outside loans we would have if we needed to had to -- back those loans perhaps which is something that Romney said.
But I -- haven't take a stronger position saying I would have.
Let Detroit go bankrupt in a managed way.
The most interest in person on the station that is going to be new Gingrich giving -- This is a guy we don't know who he's going to attack I think it's likely that he's gonna go after Rick Santorum at least those of the reports that we're hearing today -- you could have.
It -- three people Ron Paul Mitt Romney.
In Newt Gingrich all right after Rick Santorum tonight which could really put him on the defensive.
You know we've we've been talking about making -- and how he's the guy in the Catholic out of nine lives -- just keeps coming back.
It is is they're going to be appoint let's say he does do really well tonight as he has in the -- at these debates.
And then others start to boost up a little bit I -- it yet there are voters going to get sort of get tired and weary of the constant.
Surging in and pulling back and having it flowing of his campaign.
Yeah I mean I.
I think they might it look if it's hard for me to see how he.
Becomes the front runner again but you know having said that it was hard for me to see it when his campaign imploded in May.
It was hard for me to see it after he lost I -- and wasn't doing well and then went on to win South Carolina so.
In this cycle it is literally the case that anything could happen I think the argument that Newt Gingrich is making right now he he's digest.
Produced a thirty minute -- in -- buying air time in key states ahead of Super Tuesday he's not really competing much in Michigan and Arizona ahead of those contest focusing his.
Energy on the Super Tuesday states.
He's he's recorded a thirty minute matter 28 minute ad in which he talks about the economy and in particular.
Talks about gas prices and the Obama administration's.
Policy decisions that.
Gingrich argues have led to higher gas price I think he's right about that.
I think it's a very Smart thing for him to do and I expect that he will spend a fair amount of time.
Tonight talking about gas prices talking about -- We've got some questions that are coming in on our Twitter.
Stephen why the big deal about the money that is being spent this from Charles -- -- states and local media markets be grateful for the business.
Yes -- -- I think it's great look I -- I'm actually I believe that more money in politics is a good thing you don't hear people say they're very often.
We don't spend that much money on a relative basis.
I'm money in politics if you look at for instance the amount of money that the United States spends on bubble gum or or.
Or fitness or potato chips.
We spend significantly more in those pursuits than we do up.
Electing the president the United States I just don't buy the argument that there's too much money -- -- what I would like to see and it's just not practically.
Doable right now given the makeup of the senate and the house I would like to see a system where you have open.
Open giving you lift -- caps on giving.
And it is that disclosure so that if somebody is taken a position that.
Seems to be out of something they said before you believe it may be driven by money you can go and look at their donor -- -- -- that this person's.
Take -- a million dollars from you know somebody with significant oil interest and maybe that's why there.
They're they've changed their position on this at least then we can have a discussion about and then ask the person questions we have just to work to Marlins -- read this is from can enter politics.
He's the king of politics Stephen -- -- super -- that they are not the union is there something the American citizens don't know.
I'm I'm sorry if they're not unions if they're not union is there something -- already super -- that they are not the union is there's -- I think.
I think he'll have unions giving in the way the unions have always given -- don't have major.
Corporate donors were seen as on the Republican side of people with -- a significant disposable income.
For hedge fund managers who are able to give any permits -- a 100000 or 500000 or five million in the case of shell Mandelson.
To support a candidate to support an argument.
I think he unions will play probably play both in the super factory and an outside of in the way that they've played.
In traditional politics Chris wants to know super pacs are a form of bailout don't you think.
No I wouldn't buy that because.
I mean I guess if the argument is unions get money from the government and then turn around and and sort research relate.
That money back into that the political system -- need to how we choose our leaders you could make that argument but I think it's a bit of a stretch.
He for me this this super -- the problem with super pacs is is largely that they are that they don't have.
Have to disclose.
Their donors in a timely fashion they are they.
Allowed people to attack candidates without having to put their name -- -- -- people if you if you don't attack your opponent.
More power to get negative politics work I think you should put your name to -- -- I give credit to people actually like Ron Paul who who is making attacks.
Usually in his own name and he's got any anti CM format it's a Ron Paul I had.
He's making it's actually -- out and agree with this guy here are my arguments judge them as you will Stephen -- can we see you next.
I'm gonna get special report tonight at 6 o'clock because there only are on the panel all right -- get out of here training they -- always.
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