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Welcome back to on the under at foxnews.com live it's time of their list Tom Ruskin former NYPD detective.
And president of CMP -- and bill Daley former FBI out there and CD MVP of control risks.
Both what this gentleman wonderful to see you as always feel good Jonathan.
Jonas doll with -- what we've just -- Catherine -- about the hearing today for this Amin Al -- feet.
The alleged capital -- hill suicide bomber.
Questions that again com.
Being raised in some quarters about would be the entrapment issue here would this guy ever strapped on -- -- what he believed was a suicide bomb belt and -- not being led down the pump to strap that on by the by the eight.
-- looking him I think -- it it's hard to believe.
Do you really get anyone who's not committed to a cause to strap on a belt they would get me to do it even if they told me was a note.
It into the police headquarters that they said hey try designed say.
Thank you but no thank you.
So you're not gonna give someone and bill will know this because we both worked on these type a cases in our past life -- not -- -- someone to strap it on.
And go through all the tape recordings and -- the conversation that they Bryant had leading up to this without him being very detailed.
And committed to his.
Coolest and it's true I would only put only plaid -- -- on the holiday time it's.
I don't want to ask Ellen makes -- of -- but.
Let -- go hideous I guess that these cases are very closely monitored by the US attorney's office working with the FBI agents so.
They're very careful not to step over aligned with any kind of entrapment to win their leading someone -- doing something that they wouldn't have done.
On -- -- -- if they found other other compatriots who would have actually provided these materials and unfortunately you know he was willing to take his life -- would have done that and at a moment's notice and blew himself up and and.
And killed many middle he would not what about the point that he -- ought to have the capability.
To do it he wasn't in the procure that suicide vest on his own world.
Based on good luck.
By the -- law enforcement people he was led to a law enforcement under cover them and had he not -- him.
Had he met someone who was able to give him a -- Give him a real gun he may have going into the Capitol Hill alluded to kill who -- let me.
That here New York just a few months ago we.
Lyricist Phyllis I was a -- and tell you -- the process of building homemade.
-- homemade bomb at a materials you bought from places like Home Depot and elsewhere so with a little encouragement.
Without the people who may be like minded who we do some research he -- easily fall into the hands of Thomas referred to end -- actually put together some device which would have gone off.
And would have kill people he's willing to do it so in my view in everything we're hearing now and today he -- again before magistrate.
This is nothing to suggest there's anything with regard to all of you -- -- you ever have any qualms about these kind of cases legally speaking.
Well you know why in the lower national limelight but the Justice Department my professional life and that -- Being in certain cases in certain kinds of cases I do have problems with entrapment and I worry about them.
In this kind of case I had no problem with -- because you really do have to look at it at the risk.
You know something going wrong verses the cost even if there is a slight civil liberty cost even if we admit that there was a little bit of entrapment to going on and -- -- good.
The issue in law enforcement is -- forty take one of these cases you get a front.
Deception with a guy says alarmed I think I'd like to do -- and the arrest -- percent of of conspiracy would you wait delegates will be further down the road like this case.
Within the charges and much more severe and the punishment is this month.
You know working the justice department of Justice Department is working very closely all -- force me to say this is the way I wanted to go.
I do not want you guys to do this it isn't a lot of planning ahead -- -- -- behind the scenes.
That -- what is it doing the Justice Department or the DA's office in the state case with the law enforcement.
We -- -- cleaning out how what's gonna actually play out how the story's gonna go and they want to make sure that law enforcement doesn't cross that line.
To lead him down the path.
Never never let let's explore the -- I got a brilliant not Mike Baker diplomacy I -- -- -- right.
Joining us from -- safe as an undisclosed location hello I'm known as open I -- -- -- do exactly to Miami I don't believe more -- -- -- -- Well continued first of all I'm glad you're safe.
I'll tell me a look what's your view of this -- to -- case the alleged Capitol Hill suicide moment.
I'm there was this -- the old good -- buying those who are charged with keeping us safe.
Yeah it's ready yet another indication that -- We've made over over the -- yeah.
You don't open.
-- You don't -- it.
When you -- they're.
I don't think about the problems facing good business.
Lady -- That it -- operational planner and share information between very.
Organizations that are within the community.
I am concerned he generally I'm that you get from both the media and -- -- -- that sounded really good.
Went and -- actually occur I'm I'm afraid and -- and enterprise somehow.
We've talked I don't know what about.
General trend that Catherine -- was talking about.
That -- this seems to be more of a focus on US military now because of this idea.
Being plugged it in the minds of jihadist that.
The US is a wall with them and -- -- military members are completely legitimate target it is -- the -- that intelligence is watch.
On a daily basis.
And put its its not just limited to that if you look at this.
Current case he had no interest in the military he really was interested in blowing up -- capital.
And hurting people in the capital was -- the capitol police.
And you know members of our legislature.
So there watching all the different things military of course is -- sensitive area and in the area that it would be talking jihadist well.
No actually I think it would -- say that you know anyone in the United States -- BC a war that I mean -- what we stand up stand forth and the activities issues involved overseas with military action so it's not just the military military certainly has been frontlines of this but all these movements with people.
Planning IPV six -- -- -- to Iraq Afghanistan.
But certainly Americans are it would be also looked upon as being perhaps soldiers and -- -- they -- attack so I think it's very broad.
-- -- this is the first it -- my memory the first incident where we've heard of anybody.
Domestically speaking being willing to strap on what they thought at least was a suicide bomb belt -- always surprise me.
That we haven't seen more of that kind of incident gold thank god we haven't but are you surprised there hasn't been more of.
It could be the most.
Don't know who who's not.
You know and he didn't -- Iraq Afghanistan or overseas and Internet notre is pretty good we're good -- -- -- independent and put -- well.
-- Something like that saw -- there -- Being more importantly are we look back -- -- anybody and when you talk about it well.
-- I don't think we probably.
The a lot of doubt about it honestly.
Any 100 billion that is it hard you milk you're.
What I call the little what is it all you've done a lot of good -- that article you.
All right -- Mike I got to wrap it up there I'm sorry did rush today we're -- -- going home but I want you go to the political Walsh says that you.
-- home and bill.
These guests -- some of the most truly brilliant intelligence operatives the US has this.
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