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Hi I'm Juan Williams.
This is a fox news with -- exclusive.
Interview with commentator Pat Buchanan pat thanks for joining -- Juan.
-- Everybody is curious about a conversation that you had with bill grip and the man who runs MSNBC.
That apparently sealed your fate.
Because now you're no longer with MSNBC.
What was the grounds for your fine.
Well -- it began October 18 the day of my book suicidal superpower came out -- I think he'll regret it and the groups -- -- excerpts from it and I said.
He would say in January 2 months later that these ideas don't belong on -- -- BC.
And they don't belong he believes in the national dialogue I think they felt that way initially.
But the -- did tremendously well at random number four in the New York Times vessel its first week.
I was once again and I was on Fox News Fox Business news -- stand with Ralph Nader Sean Hannity there Burnett.
And some 150 radio stations in the first couple weeks.
And that surprised me that they didn't bring me over there but I think what happened is there's a number of organized groups color change was one of them.
Human rights commission which is a gay rights group was another.
Aid foxman and media -- It was another and I think they really put heat on constantly.
To have me removed from MSNBC.
I don't know quite frankly what the final arguments weren't convinced -- and -- that there would sever the relationship I don't know exactly what it was.
I wasn't given to understand what they were but I think those two of the vital things so Griffin never said pat this is the basis in which we are -- University was fired back keeps called me and are sent -- -- coaching and I have not suspend due someone put on Paper and and suspended.
We're simply off the -- for a little while gestures.
There's not much difference between new suspension.
To give up there for a couple of month I was of the impression on February 16 they severed the relationship relationships and -- -- free to go one and he.
Network channel cable anything else right now.
It's I think upon agreement of departure.
I acceded to the agreement and passionately about a lot of right you can't go back and there they didn't explain -- bat time on February 16 this is why we're certainly.
Know the motivation I think you really have to go to Phil Griffin and MSNBC and the folks up there in New York 30 -- as to why it was -- They I have been told.
Others things I think that way and it.
They've got a lot of criticism about me not -- -- corner carriages but -- -- -- very strong column syndicated column.
And I think some critics -- night but I'm -- this one.
-- I mean I'm not bothered about my situation ten years is longer network for anybody in my whole life.
I was removed from the Ford White House by Donald Rumsfeld.
In a little book -- -- matter.
As was his won't.
But what bothers me about some practices some of these organizations to print monitor every word said.
And then they work night and go to how to get rid of him get rid of this column.
Don't let him speak this convention they're basically -- organizations that's what they do.
I know you knew Robert Novak cantankerous character he told me you know these groups -- attack -- attack -- column talked papers.
They don't want to argue and debate like we're doing here we're not arguing that but they want to make sure you're not hurt.
And I think this is a serious issue.
Well this is a very serious issue and pat I think it's gonna surprise some -- Arafat -- -- Latino.
Audience but I understand.
That comes into the American domain.
Debate and discussion.
You are saying is ruled out of bounds -- you.
Are viewed as someone who is not welcome.
Into the mainstream of American ideas and intellectual discourse because I was fired from NPR -- simply speaking my mind.
And then accused of bigotry.
For saying that -- of course in an airport I get nervous when I see people in Muslim -- getting on the plane with.
-- -- Understand what that means -- -- in your case I think you are being blacklisted as you put it right rolled out of bounds.
We're speaking about race right for speaking about.
The power of Israel right for speaking about what you see at the declining influence of whites in American society well.
This is your exactly right and that we have the same experience in the --
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