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Matt -- and fireworks inside a hearing on this hot issue of contraception coverage health and human services secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
Being grilled on how the Fed's plan to pay for government mandated birth control coverage for all women.
Who pays for this no such thing as a -- -- reduction in a number of pregnancies.
The cost of contraception the overall plan to buy or not than having this baby is on board percent -- up.
I just -- -- get this on the record mr.
went to -- same by not having babies born.
We're gonna save money in health care.
As a critical preventive health benefit for women and for their children.
Reduces -- not having babies born it's a critical benefit this is simply amazing to me -- -- open.
-- This moment there between Kathleen Sebelius and the gentleman hazy on the screen -- Pennsylvania Republican Tim Murphy.
Is a doctor and he's a congressman who was questioning her moments ago good morning congressman good to have -- here.
Why -- what got you so fired up and that exchange.
Well -- you know for the longest time I couldn't understand after weeks of this hanging on where many religious institutions around the country -- saying.
Don't mandate that we do something that is against our faith principles.
He administration wouldn't do it I mean they did offer some services for free of which is a distinction without a difference.
I couldn't understand why the administration's -- this well then I understood it.
When secretary Sebelius said that basically pregnancies and expense.
And that means by not having to pay for prenatal care and not having to Paper labor and delivery of the pediatric cost of raising a child they figured they could save a lot of money.
And it really baffled me how we were going to expect to pay for health care by not having babies I thought that was one of the points -- providing health care.
Are for women.
And and quite frankly it doesn't make sense financially and it certainly is an offense to the faith that the.
All long we're trying to bring this up.
It you know it comes down to this perhaps you know she's arguing that -- sort of a general welfare issue.
And she believes that everyone should pay for this coverage.
You know for the greater good of everyone and that the -- -- -- babies that are born.
It -- more contraception has happened -- your babies that are born over all the costs for health care will be lower.
Across the board and that's one of the missions of the Health Care Reform is to put a -- Ed.
On health care costs -- over all right.
Well that's -- -- things but according to reimbursement intelligence an online survey I think fifteen.
Pharmacy benefit men representatives to represent a hundred million employees.
50% that matches that would increase costs 30% -- -- 120% so the thought it would mean the same.
So this idea may not be borne out in the actual numbers and you know quite frankly.
If it did save health care dollars why didn't insurance companies provide is a free service in the first place.
Is slippery slope here you know in terms of of government infringing on people's.
In decisions -- you know have children you think about the way things are in China and no one suggested that that that's the where are headed here but I give that as the most extreme example.
In terms of the suggestions that might be made for lowering the costs of health care overall open question well.
It it has do with -- also -- raised by the independent payment advisory board and making decisions about what is paid for and what is not.
And what the administration is now laid out as will be making decisions in terms of what is going to cost money.
In your actually right raising this question which others have raised what comes next.
If churches and religious institutions are saying there could very concerned about heading down this road.
The morning after pill and others paying for that what comes next what to do with people were very ill what do we do with terminally ill people what do we do with the elderly.
-- what what do we do with developmentally disabled children it raises those fundamental questions.
I'm not suggesting the administration just is is pushing those directions.
But it does continue down that road which is one of the reasons why so many church officials are deeply concerned about it.
And -- -- -- that issue of whether or not contraception in general is a personal responsibility.
Or whether it's in general welfare issue that all Americans need to pay -- To cover for each other and I just put that out there as you know some for for people to think about and and decide.
How they feel about it congressman and doctor two Murphy -- is -- -- thank you very much.
Thank you -- --
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