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Oklahoma State senator Dan -- of Tulsa they don't sir thank you very much one on tonight.
It is very much yesterday the Oklahoma state senate approved -- measure.
That would require abortion providers to inform patients they have a -- to -- The heartbeat.
Of their -- preferred to boarded without require the -- in a heartbeat.
Would you have done that if you could.
But you know we we talked about -- the original version of the bill and we felt like that.
You know we're really after here to try to help women under have the full and consent and understand what they're doing and didn't make them.
-- -- -- -- As -- as affordable measure would then I think it overstep.
The -- really after.
To me it sounds like it's a little condescending to women to say we gonna have about a male legislators.
And -- -- women and -- to but.
Passing something that and tells them that they especially the government saying the women have to be told this is if they couldn't do -- on their own.
Well I can appreciate down but I can tell you that the -- softer and this is a woman and our governor of -- state as a woman and then Mark Foley and engage in this bill once you pass me.
And we've had several women and call -- Baptist.
To run legislation like this I I think it's.
I think -- it overstepped and say that about a minute don't -- yesterday.
What they're mostly male legislators I -- correct.
We have we have a crop next from men and women.
You have senator Judy -- McEntire and Carla says the -- is -- Democrat that this is a war declaration on women by Republican men and some women.
And that supporters of the measure would probably didn't pay the price at the polls because women work hard and elections usually if you think solely political payback for -- -- I know that certainly generate -- opinion.
That's certainly not what we're after in state legislature.
And also she says.
If you just have an abortion it's not for you to decide that -- -- -- through your moral values and somebody else -- -- Round it is not a bill embezzlement can't have an abortion all the still the woman at the ride in and do I hear the heartbeat partner partner for the -- -- -- that.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Now they could hear it they would and they may change their mind they may not have.
But it does most every case they thought they that they would have avoided psychological problems that they -- with the.
Isn't that the goal to really stop abortions.
I don't know her well ultimately isn't this that slippery slope that if you can get this stunning you can India and a there's a sonogram alone document the moment.
That the ultimate goal is to stop abortions.
I think that the ultimate goal these bills to make sure that the one and her performance having abortions are exercising their rights given not a -- -- court to exercise that choice.
Are fully informed of what they're dealing in and the -- and all of it all effect could go along with.
I understand that -- but isn't there a bigger agenda that the down the road stop abortions are taking place.
You know I don't know about this -- and ask him at this bill and ask you about this is part of a larger agenda.
To stop abortions.
Mean I think the he talked to any pro life candidate or any pro life member legislature and it -- sure we'd like that he let abortions performed ensure we'd like -- For that happened but the reality of it is until rover has waited their turn -- -- happen.
-- -- process of that you know war or just the reality and it women need to be fully informed of what they're doing you know and the effect -- can within.
Do you believe in these -- laws that life begins -- -- I go.
I believe a lot Begin -- conception I believe the baathist can be first trade that the -- So you believe in laws that would say your person the minute the -- and make me.
And is fertilized.
Usually we had a bill like -- here and you know in Oklahoma portion of the buildings -- that we believe life begins at conception.
Another for that bill that operated.
But it doesn't really have a lot standing along you have -- -- way to some place that you know so.
Really what I'm after is is really have to think the -- gets the full understanding that what he's.
But it later what -- the -- -- sources say the sonogram law and Oklahoma.
European -- more aware that there bill a law that I thought.
Was in the legislature last year with for for the women had to actually have a sonogram if they wanted to have an abortion.
And -- idea this was -- a few years ago.
And even if women were raped they would be forced to have someone there.
I don't know the actual particularly that bill perhaps a couple of built look at it as people and we did have an ultrasound bill appears candidate.
As -- did talk about something and Vanilla.
I understand it that's been challenged and is in limbo because of the the legal challenge to.
The chairwoman BS as popular with the bill would you support.
Penny for -- You know I think down I would support anything in the fall along with important sense that women understand exactly what they're doing exactly what -- replication that could be.
Well -- very simple question I mean there are sonogram bills and Virginia the governor is signing one Bob McDonnell assigning one of Virginia.
-- women would have to have some programs.
Some of these states and this they backed off on this in Virginia where -- -- -- one that a woman would have to have inserted.
In other saying look you were choice to do -- abdomen and abdominal Lee or vaginal -- but it's of the woman's choice.
Would you do you favor that kind of legislation.
-- -- I -- to really read the legislation on Begin to get to the bottom what that particular states giving her what this state yeah.
Well you -- your own state had a had a sonogram law just wonderfully supportive.
I think that probably would support programme that as long as it felt -- informed consent and help women understand.
The full implication.
What what are you imagine if love her past to have.
Force men to have a certain procedure done.
For it would be vetoed it just seems so sexist to me.
That mostly male legislators with some women are making laws about what women must do before they can make what is a very highly personal decision.
Is this government intrusion literally into women's bodies.
I would agree that was put your debt because it you know -- believe it once you have -- specifically a heartbeat bill we're talking about here today.
You know heart -- -- -- a heartbeat.
Without bullets -- the -- heart -- is the is the instrument and what's considered key to being alive.
And wants get a being.
You know you're talking about a person you think women know that.
Well we're not really where the difference but it -- it pro life in the pro choice.
Where we -- separate.
Is what we -- it will review the life.
You know -- -- lot inside the womb -- a lot.
But that -- -- and you're certainly entitled to view it that way and I don't take anything away from your.
Ability to make that -- own choices based on that belief whether it's religiously based or otherwise the one that respect the other side of the plate.
Do women really need to be told what to do.
-- their bodies.
Well it's -- one of the line.
-- I think this where we separate that's what you live and let it like everybody believes that well in you know.
Medically he had -- -- -- a heartbeat you've got blood flow into the body you've got he got established.
You've got -- being if you have you know twenty -- to put it -- week -- that they can feel pain.
The person that you could help you believe that that you believe abortion doctor should be tried for murder.
Yeah I don't I don't think we can try somebody prologue for for performing functions -- that are that are currently not.
Yeah about I'm -- and isn't you're if you're gonna believe you say if you believe what you just said would you believe that any -- bug doctor.
Who perform an abortion is performing a murder -- a woman who hire someone to do it is an accomplice.
I think it's much more complicated than -- -- simplicity of that but I do you believe that that that baby is alive.
And that will be given him.
-- -- but David's a baby and it's killed and it's murder.
I'm not anything you can logically get there from the frustrated -- you know.
That they didn't have the ability to speak debated and the ability to put in today's bad visibility is a voice to be any way shape reform -- -- like the live.
And yet and yet they have a heartbeat yet in many cases have to -- way.
Why do you suppose what what do you think we have had Roe vs.
Wade which is under Supreme Court you know considered establish law.
-- -- is as they call -- it's been in law now free for thirty years.
Forty years practically.
Why do you think.
That plus so many people in this country want the ability to choose.
-- -- what we have country of killers.
This is not a bill that still doesn't take a -- a woman strategies.
Leo we know what I would like you would likely do it like that that you'd like to overturn -- is way but that that.
The -- not on your side without so I just wondered because so many people want that choice are we thank you killers.
You know Alan I think that's and -- -- -- interpretation terms of prompt.
I believe I believe that the baby is alive I believe that -- all month with all my heart.
I know you got really say that -- -- times here during this interview that's why keep coming back to eleven.
Many people out there that believed it.
Today it's not defeated and we try to give it medical terms that are not what can you respect that believe that -- respectable -- but I also believe that we need to make sure that we that the women her performing having abortions performed.
Are doing it on -- fortified in understanding what they're doing.
Right well this this is law now in Oklahoma correct and -- -- -- measure.
But -- -- hatteras defense is gonna has and the governor would likely sign it without actually you see this probably headed toward passage but.
I look I appreciate the debate obviously we disagree but I certainly welcome the opportunity to have you talked to us about answer thank you for your time tonight.
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