Best of Geneva Motor Show
Mike Spinelli and Alex Nunez join Fox Car Report to pick the Swiss misses and hits
- Duration 21:01
- Date Mar 8, 2012
Mike Spinelli and Alex Nunez join Fox Car Report to pick the Swiss misses and hits
Also in this playlist...
This transcript is automatically generated
Well on the fox carport of Gary gas food this week we are talking about the fabulous Geneva motor show with equally fabulous host a -- testament a YouTube.
Dry but I don't know if Bangladesh and of course the almost as -- thousand years.
Automotive editor over consumers it's Erica I appreciate you -- -- back.
We're getting pretty bad I'm not even close that the -- this any of these things so regardless Geneva motor show is the -- -- the most important motor show.
Globally every year although I think he had to distill it down to.
A bunch of small cars we can't buy a bunch of super -- we can't afford it was a concept cars that will never be.
I like -- assessment.
It absolutely is no it's it's really it's the design show of the year it's the is that it is small car stuff.
But a lot of flash it's like the flash it's it but it's and it's fun because you can walk around and get to the whole place.
It's not like walking around Detroit you know -- yet and it's one of those it's one of the few shows left where there are a lot of actual concept cars that are in concept cars in the traditional -- Brando.
Not this is the new.
You know model whatever.
With different headlights that will reveal in a month and a half in the production -- so.
Why don't we have shows like this anymore I mean there was a day when the Detroit show had a little bit as as do -- even New York nothing -- I -- it's flat you're lucky if you get one.
Actual concept car anymore and Amber MacArthur and play every -- didn't come to the -- and accepting your.
Well I think it's partly the tradition -- -- -- to -- deterrent show back and in the old days and that was really the design show that was where the Italian design firms were.
And and like all the really hot stuff for Tony was there -- Farina and you know -- all Leo all those other guys.
Now and then in turn went away and Geneva kind of became that show so there is that.
Sort of tradition European design tradition that shows that's -- on the lots there in addition to -- -- -- cars and then Frisco to.
Many French cars which we Begin as soon as part of the GM from Joseph why it's very.
Yeah you can only hope I actually like -- ships they're good cheap cars I enjoy driving them as rebels when I'm over in Europe.
I mean as French cars go there and they're not -- -- -- they make some some sporty little.
Hatchback that stuff too which would be cool -- GM started to bring that stuff over but that's as simple we want that maybe the public doesn't hot zone may be.
Political scars that haven't come that -- had that nice plush ride that I think Americans like you know we're being told that we don't like that and we'd like if you're ride with a -- right is nice of -- particularly that -- Joseph Vissicchio.
Yeah I mean.
A good one thing that makes it lacked zip it for Joseph wherever come if you would say I'll look who Joseph is totally ripping off Hyundai when in fact it's more like the other way around -- -- current upon.
-- -- So we cars we can really talk about any of the one we absolutely have to talk about it's the -- in any event the tour GA.
This thing is just a remarkable piece of work it's literally a one of a -- car where he made one of these are actually gonna sell it.
Basically -- chop top.
I think that we call them -- at their southern version of the event the -- -- that we would disqualify is that there is no roof there's no windshield.
It's -- let's carbon fiber carbon fiber fabric of the seats is that right.
Yeah it's sort of -- his carbon fiber all over the place but immunity if they're using.
These colored skin like carpets and then where it's a -- its sixth week -- a fiberglass thing where they we've carbon together and then they.
They put -- risen over it.
And they shape it and probably in the same way that they do with the uncle -- -- something yeah I don't know I don't know how to hunt and that's.
Yeah it's a -- save that -- away on that thing and maybe speeds there that's kind of yeah two years old and he has no.
-- -- -- sort of -- experiences minimalist as you're gonna get from however meaning.
-- president based on a 400000 dollar car -- they did really build wanted to debate it sell it to you would assume the highest bidder amongst their customers.
Is this a good business plan forgot you like Lamborghini rebuilding one off cars.
I don't know I mean I actually I don't know what the what the cost is but I mean two point eight million dollars is what -- -- saying that they -- or so I mean.
If it I -- it might actually be a pretty decent margin on that if it didn't cost them a ticket and -- -- -- spent you know I mean it's.
It's not a long term there is engineering involved but still yeah and the thing with this car is liberty he could have built as many -- as -- as they wanted to and pretty much put any price tag it felt like and it would have sold out immediately so.
I mean just having won it makes -- more special in that respect but they could have settled mobile Tony and -- hates five million dollars and there would have been gone in ten minutes.
They did have that similar with the reverent tone a couple years ago they -- built twenty of those yet I think also for million and a half.
What we know we were kind of expecting the actual convertible version of the event the door here witnessing that.
Paris in the fall.
-- probably Paris I'm gonna say Paris -- Paris you know again is the you know -- it alternates with Frankfurt and that's the big sort of industrial show of the year right so.
That's real probably see.
Well you know exited air LA because LA is a big market for leveraging -- and -- always does summing interest thing.
And even do yourself a sold out for several years anyways it's not like -- as positive -- -- convertible one will be you know.
Again instantly there.
We're really not the only company with a limited edition car being surely Geneva -- there's also the Aston Martin V twelve is it got out the latest in a long line.
Of collaborations between the Italian.
Desire has and the British auto maker.
Only 150 he's going to be -- -- 40000 dollars I think.
Five -- ten horsepower and it's basically a B twelve Aston Martin V twelve vantage general manager -- had that everybody.
I don't know -- -- in person are just the best little cars in the world in pictures this kind of looks like a bloated.
And -- particulates -- -- -- -- -- go what do you think about is a god it was this.
Pretty good deal I kind of agree with you that Aston Martin design is already great.
It is a god oh -- they have this old.
It partnership they've been doing and having the -- -- an Italian designers through scrawled across the this quarter panel kind of you know it it but I -- I think you're right it's almost too much for this car I mean it was already a great looking car and -- gotta kinda added a little more Avant -- thing to it but it's doesn't really add a whole -- mean the lesson I got I was kind of funky looking to having -- -- seven -- -- -- were a little weird.
-- with a big gaping mouth vs you don't that would that a traditional front and yet.
I still think it's really cool.
But I mean the -- the basic car that's that that is derived from the V twelve vantage is the coolest Aston Martin probably anyway there.
-- you can't really go.
That far off wrong no matter what you do to it feels that -- car yet feels like messing -- it is just a terrible idea anyway.
Almost funny that they're considered -- 150 units limited edition disaster -- in so many more cars and and anyway.
That didn't come into the hard and coming out of that car and out of the B twelve -- DeVito event.
What does a red Italian cars though but it doesn't show and the other big -- besides that labor union listens actually going -- full production if you can call a Ferrari full production was the F twelve.
Bruins have the replacement for -- 599 this is effectively -- top of the life.
Ferrari gonna cost over 400000 dollars seven point three liter V twelve I think with children removed thirty horsepower that specifics -- this.
I -- I gotta say I'm not really a giant.
Ferrari fan but I love this thing this is it's beautiful it's okay it's beautiful they really beautiful and old school for our way yet.
They've been able to take all the sort of modern junk you have to do with the card it to make it.
Worthy of departments of transportation all right place.
And still make it really -- yeah I mean the 599 is kind of cool but it's it's very it's like there's a severity to a -- that the the 458 is better looking meets all of it also looks kind of like an insect where is this looks like this it's like -- Ferrari don't worry yet.
A lot of bad looking cars they have over the years I mean they're not really the best looking car I mean there's so much cash it doesn't matter you don't get.
You know this what -- kind of working of -- of the picture get a very cool featured in this over here on the outside the car here that sort intent there there's actually a hole where it comes down from the hood so the -- comes down through that little hole.
Along side of the -- that up over the rear fenders sort of acted very dynamics there.
Very were out seven minutes that's incredibly high tech -- before let me tell you something similar -- to the front of the car but this is pretty incredible stuff what's cups between eleven miles an analyst with an eleventh place -- -- sixteen.
Make it easier or is it less I think -- -- -- or something like I think it's a lot yes -- in the -- -- On you know three is the new four -- right hey you got it right you have to got to have a car and the represent and -- really they're going to be you.
And that same engine or -- version of it in the Enzo replacement which really be the top of the line hyper -- from Ferrari.
If they're talking now maybe over 900 horsepower but some sort of -- hybrid.
Solution there crazy for -- is it.
-- is never the most powerful courtroom.
And you just get to that level and jumps over everybody -- -- style you know lunacy.
You don't know you know crazy numbers yet.
If Chris I mean it I is that that's gonna include the the hybrid and then it occurred and occurs what occurred yet occurs and they and they and -- -- questions -- Mom yeah I think you know some way I forgot who was was talking about the end of the horse power wars that it's Dell is not.
That's -- electrified us horsepower it's actually just changing that the format eleven adding more electricity into.
Bomb again but it needed it where it says it dovetails -- their F one programs stuff and searches -- new regulations.
-- which is what those those type those super duper cars from Ferrari usually have someone trees.
And -- -- into it so I mean it's and it's really.
In his halo is -- gets interesting -- that is Ferrari's competitor against the event to door for an engine -- in mid engine you know.
People kind of forget that the for an engine Ferrari that really is the truth for yet.
Yeah I mean the -- twelve Ferrari is the Ferrari and we we didn't speak to spending a lot of time on the V -- lately release you know from Heidi.
Bomb and then you -- certain extent they're California which kind of fell off the map a little bit but the B twelve Ferrari is -- Ferrari so this is there stuff.
Yes it should be right and it's.
I mean the -- Ferrari's are the bread and butter you know -- -- bring home a lot of that's that's the sales leader yeah it's you know hit it so far as it goes as best.
Applies -- for our.
-- a custom cars of the show custom coach build cars.
My favorite which is based on -- for a male which is kind of base at a Ferrari the Disco belong today from -- -- Design.
This kind of -- back to.
Another Disco -- tea Al for a -- from back in the 5057.
-- -- it really looks like it to really kind of just go I think means yes flying saucer -- -- and by the way.
You know we.
Into this sort of thing here so much this idea of buying a car having the new body and put on -- you see that more in Europe there's a lot of places that do this sort of thing.
Could catch on more here if there was I mean is -- not interest years they're just not an infrastructure to do this sort of thing here.
That's interest I know that there is there's plenty of money to do it so they just might not be a culture among.
People who can afford that that that that's the thing to do is to go out and get a car built for yourself I mean -- -- -- see every couple years some real to coach bill Ferrari and it.
-- know it's a big deal like you said.
Mean it's not as if there is we're lacking in people who can afford to do that it's right I don't know maybe I mean I didn't you -- -- -- actually surprised that we don't see more of that here.
But you're happier with murder that black yeah emirates and -- -- that Geneva to -- Well I mean it costs two million bucks upward tick tick -- get something like this done -- so.
You know you -- really want.
That you have really be into cars and be into the culture of India doesn't like the history of this that's where your -- where you are so far into it -- -- elect must and I can't just happens to everybody else has this or is everybody else is like your circle of friends -- you know.
You are who also billionaire Israel and I can yeah I had to have.
Election put in house with his with with -- -- 45 right.
Warren Buffett drives like -- what an F 150 or some America -- the same courtesy Ford Taurus -- when he originally rich people who don't spend money on cars that is really good if you're billionaire.
By a couple of -- Just thinking these companies in business for the rest of us to enjoy it but who are -- posters toll at.
But it's interesting -- -- that they're more into buying the authentic old stuff that and they -- to kind of creating.
New been huge bills like right to sort of retro.
Stuff like this election -- that opera mail of what was it what was the number the bat.
Only the last one yet I can't remember government in the number but it was an interesting thing whys and why is always up for males also depends.
They really well they really need a halo stuff coming out of you know how -- did you got it can they we're gonna see them here and -- -- this is part of the problem now for Mario you.
You've got the halo stuff like the exceeded the -- of a lot of days based several 100000 dollar car.
But then didn't -- most expensive cars 40000 dollars ridiculous.
It's like Alexis -- that happened at that that's really paid off for Lexus -- -- -- right I mean of Alexis off it's just like to hate.
You know we we can do awesome thing to.
-- -- down to earth lots of forbidden fruit at the -- but one that really kind of bugs us a little bit is the Ford Fiesta ST.
They do sell the Ford Fiesta here of course although not great qualities this is not a big seller -- -- Some convicts still not catching on here in the United States nevertheless is the high performance version what's -- 170 horsepower.
-- -- -- -- -- We have EST yeah focus -- next year.
Do you think this to be something that be worth -- -- over here go up against them yet a part lol that sort of thing.
I think it makes sense but I think it makes sense for them to wait and see how the Fiat does mean.
You write about -- -- is that they just aren't catching on -- -- like a lot of the analysts said content that's the only one that really sells.
Well yeah and you see more fiesta is now but it's not like you see a lot of fiesta.
Yeah exactly so 5000 January they sold 20000 focusing -- excellence and more Fiat when you see the fiesta yeah I mean it's interesting because they they really.
If you're gonna buy a sporty car people are sort of like well you know subcompact means that it's cheap -- I can't really afford something or it's like.
Yes like it's it's something that you there's you know we're just -- my head you know unless it's a mini.
Right unless it's in the -- many changes that -- -- is able to change it yes.
Kind of able to change that with the 500 because they're they're doing that there.
Ford -- would you buy a subcompact Ford.
For 25 grand and even if was fast like that is probably a car that we like the idea of it even.
None of us would actually spent -- -- here's the thing that I mean the appearance of the focus has to be coming people who want -- -- that that.
The hot -- And the focus -- -- can be planning.
-- -- they're gonna sell its not like that's going to be huge seller you know by itself anyway so there.
You know I would I would read and I think you have a better shot at drawing people into the focus that's giving you and then and because this.
One car at the show that was designed with -- -- -- and the Chinese and the Russians is the -- SUVEXP.
Completely targeted -- us and other emerging.
-- as it turns out is this not a disaster in the making I mean I've -- to -- -- -- concerts before but this just does not great.
-- it is what you it reminds me of I don't know if you do you remember the Studebaker hawk.
-- from the fifties has had a kind of Studebaker hawk like that I mean and I don't know because it's going to be very high end this is gonna be like -- probably the most Hyannis to 200000 dollars 280 mile an hour top speed but.
-- can do that it's grotesque looking.
You know the on the headlights are from the the most -- son and it's -- -- bigger than most suvs already why didn't even need it.
That's true I don't know I mean I guess it's really a market thing it was tonight China and Russia and they -- going to sell like.
Eleventh -- billion of these things and that's easy cash -- which is why it's happening very doesn't matter what it looks like because of medley will sell.
All of them and that's.
Part and the guy runs Bentley and I'm not return to pronounce his name is -- terrible that sort of thing he was actually a -- and pushed the key and into production so he's -- trying to do this in near key and of course a moneymaker for -- we'll see what -- do this that he can make of the commendable that one thing that happened in -- lead and -- there was a murder at the show.
Did you see this it's the main answering version of the -- and Ford finished twelve C super car right there.
you have one of those cars and houses over your biggest few horrible things people -- the -- the rich people buy these cars.
They should they should be did you -- these are horrible looking -- -- very.
They need to never do anything again I mean honestly I this is for.
You know that does the British footballers as -- as they say exercise -- right.
All I look at they killed in the -- -- being murdered your right they murdered this car which is just fantastic.
That's the real version of it you -- I got to drive that -- California couple weeks ago it's the latest entry in the 200000.
-- super car segment which is.
A crowded segment these days.
You know this is a very high tech -- -- the Formula One.
Technology and it.
Active suspension with hydraulic campers out all sorts of traction and stability control to -- clutch gearbox the bigger break on the back here which showed the -- -- work or compel -- shooting just sort of changes the -- pressure on the car.
-- the rear tires into play.
Is this now the greatest super car in the world you've driven this.
Has this compared to the Ferrari for failure to -- -- -- Lamborghini Gallardo is this the new King of the -- for the 200000 dollars -- prepare our.
I think so I mean I know that that Ferrari it is -- the 45 it is a fantastic car there's no taking it away I think anything away from it.
I think it's too busy adding it's too fussy and cumbersome I this card -- with the way that they that McLaren.
Approached doing this car.
Was it just strip everything out there was unnecessary -- look at the steering wheel there aren't fifty buttons I know -- most people aren't F one drivers and they don't.
We need to -- around on the on the wheel like they kept everything really really nice and elegant.
It drives great I know originally a lot of people were saying it was soulless it's not soulless it's amazing.
All I know as I got sideways and had several times unintentionally.
It didn't spend all the way around so very responsive car that's really good thing it's good that -- go cart type the yield as much as you can get it up 592 horsepower super card that.
Yet all I totally agree -- it it is it feels like it's a little later in the Ferrari -- by you they're not a whole lot but I mean a less than a hundred pounds lighter.
And all of that crazy tech that they haven't worked so well so they've got the those hydraulic.
That when you've got them in the EB lowest it is sort of most supple setting it's like driving.
BMW seven years this is literally better than some suvs and crossovers have been -- on -- bumpy -- yet.
Absolutely so really is a super car you could drive it during the day you driver on the track and the thing is people who buy cars like this.
Eight taken with a track once or twice and then -- -- one of two days either modify them beyond recognition.
So doesn't really matter with the stock cars like or they just go by track Ernst and -- -- -- -- -- -- so really you by Crowley -- you both to driver on the road anyway and that's where the -- office -- that totally.
I mean it and then you know it's got the different settings of -- for the track mode.
Everything just tightens up perfectly I mean you can tell that it's built by a company that builds race cars and it's just got it it it.
It's really -- the character is so different.
You can drive it on the road not you know just sort of lurk around on the streets get on -- racetrack and it's a race car.
It's -- test it doesn't lose sight of the fact it's a regular car.
Also he's a monster exactly it and that's the thing that car companies kind of get into trouble with -- -- making -- -- it.
That does too many things -- -- we are going to make the most pure performance car possible and it.
I'm drivable and some in some respect her children of the Nissan GTR.
I think you know that you -- -- -- don't know what.
I -- this event back.
I really makes that I have some music for joining us this week -- plenty more on the Geneva motor show over Fox News.
Dot com fox car report -- -- that comes we'll do the auto section we will see you next time.
-- fox -- report here.