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    Judith Miller, Kirsten Powers discuss Muslim surveillance

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An uproar in the mainstream media over a police program to uncover potential terrorist activity in and around New York City the NYPD.

Conducting surveillance to create a broad database of the Muslim community.

And identify potential hot spots of terrorist activity.

One of our next guest says New York's finest are getting smeared.

The Miller -- a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter.

Kirsten Powers is a columnist for the Daily Beast both are Fox News contributors Judy part of your headline not said that how quickly we forget.

Right.

Well this is the city that was attacks not once but twice 1993.

And then of course 2000.

One box it doesn't matter because.

Rather than reward the police and praised the police.

For preventing fourteen.

Terrorist attacks most of them involving home grown.

-- -- -- They are now being criticized for putting together through largely open sources.

And database.

-- of listen Muslim institutions.

Muslim businesses places where not -- slums ordinary Muslims but terrorist might seek shelter -- high.

Our leases -- -- have has basically been to prevent the next terrorist attack.

Not investigated after it happens and the NYPD.

It says this has been meticulous in following guidelines that have handed had been handed down by the courts.

To protect our civil liberties we're keeping our city safe.

And for this they should not be subject to investigations are threats thereof by Eric Holder.

Or complaints from neighboring Newark police that say they weren't informed about the surveillance when in fact they -- I'm not quite sure John what's going on here but I do know.

That when I look at these stories and I look at the or -- institution I've covered now for about ten years since 9/11.

I just don't even see that that they're reporting on the same institution it's it's truly kind of amazing to me is yet -- And -- in some of what has us all the opponents here so up in arms is that the new York city police are going outside New York City to conduct these investigations.

They're going over to new work which has a large Muslim population even governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is mad about of the -- FBI is mad about it.

You said you think it might be something of a turf war.

Well that was my gas looking at a -- Judy would probably know more about it -- I do but I I highly recommend her article with Richard Clark hill.

Was as everybody knows was he is somebody who's worked in the white house on anti terrorism.

Multiple White -- who both come to the same conclusion about this which is that.

They didn't break the law.

Of course if you're going to look for Muslim fanatics are going to go -- Muslims aren't that doesn't mean all Muslims are fanatics nobody saying that but it's just there's a say in our article.

I mean if you were gonna go after the mafia.

You didn't back when they were going after the mafia they went to Italian you know neighborhood some sorry because they were Italian right and it's not it -- it's not -- yeah you know all people.

Associated with.

That group of people so.

It.

To me it seems like that and what happened was that did the people in New Jersey are upset because that they say there wasn't ordination.

And it did just doesn't look like they're doing anything that you wouldn't normally do they're not violating any laws -- I am I don't really understand what the parliament he had.

-- I'm I'm guessing that if a bunch of presbyterian grandmothers had boarded planes and Loma -- buildings the FBI would look to be looking in Presbyterian Church is right now would play.

Absolutely in much the same way as they investigated that Jewish Defense League and they were hanging out at synagogues.

When we had a problem with militant Jews.

-- does not make sense to use precious police resource is to investigate people who are not even.

Going to be suspects in the -- and at prevention is a very different.

Kind of activity John from.

Prop from investigating after the fact.

We don't want another attack in new York and when -- -- eight.

NYPD followed some Muslims students on Whitewater rafting trip.

What they didn't say even though the police made clear.

Is that some of the people on the Whitewater rafting trip.

We're suspects in another an ongoing terrorist investigation.

In which some people have already been convicted the police can't discuss that well because it is an ongoing investigation but that's kind of information which is not reaching readers -- the -- and.

And as long as you two are on air chair of the Council On American Islamic Relations is out with yet another on news release blasting this whole program and saying that the new York city police.

Kept denial on Muslim owned businesses they say that it is blatant religious profiling.

Is it.

Here's now I mean it to say that would be to admit somehow that radical is lawn is the same is being Muslim which it's not they're not targeting.

People for being Muslims they're going to the places where they know that fanatics are gonna spend their time.

It's a totally different thing and and to Judy's point these Muslim student associations like I believe -- you can cut that down and -- I'll -- -- -- was wasn't he like the president of one of the young Muslim student association so.

I mean this we know that this is these places are are places -- radicals are.

Spending time and I don't understand why people feel the need to smear them and my PD.

For doing their jobs and you look at -- what if they were really infringing on people's rights of course that.

Matters had -- money.

Absolutely Judy we have to wrap up but even this this care group that protest if so much has an interest in associations it spent well it certainly -- it -- an unindicted co conspirator in one of the major terrorist investigations of this country.

And even though they're often described as a Muslim advocacy organization.

They in fact the FBI has not been dealing with them because they've been suspect and they have members who opens suspect.

And and it's -- a whole separate issue John we'll talk about another talk about who speaks for the Muslim community.

Why aren't we hearing from moderate Muslim organizations and leaders saying we want to be safe to and many of us are cooperating with the police.

Rather than let people who are known to be rather extreme in their views claim to represent all of Muslims.

But the new York city police have taken a lot of heat in the media over this whole issue is why we're bringing it up here thank you on fox -- Judith Miller -- and powers thank you --

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