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And welcome to FOX News Sunday panel plus with Dana Perino former senator -- -- chip Saltzman and -- -- -- us.
Terrible story today that US soldier apparently walked off his base in the middle of the night in the southern.
Afghanistan Kandahar Province apparently went into a nearby village.
And began firing and there are unconfirmed reports you may have killed as many as sixteen Afghan civilians this of course after.
Soldiers and police targeted US soldiers after the the burning the Koran and killed six of them.
Start would you list -- let us I mean is is a mass and this is only gonna make it worse.
Yes now I mean it sounds like a terrible -- we don't know all the details about this particular individual and what.
Kind of issues he may have been dealing with but it sounds.
Really ugly and really difficult and I think for the public it's just gonna raise more questions about.
Why are we still there -- what's you know would be Davis obviously in the wake of the burning the Quran is that we have a lot of sentiment about you know this is just clearly not a country that wants us care anymore we shouldn't be there anymore and I think and it.
At call is gonna continue.
-- it you know I'm I'm struck when you -- Newt Gingrich in the middle of a Republican primary basically -- you know they should lead their own miserable lives and he all but said we should pull out.
And pull out quick is that a growing sentiment among Republicans.
I think it -- and I mean it's not something that you see a lot of the national leaders talk about because it's it's it's a new part of the Republican Party.
Its interest -- the doctor Paul's the only one that's been talking about it over you know really for years but there is a growing voice in the Republican Party -- time again come home.
Senator by your thoughts about Afghanistan and our commitment there and is it is -- time to get out and what about the dangers of of leaving.
To a very inefficient and ineffective and corrupt government and military.
Leaving them to defend our interest against the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
Chris first -- a word about this tragic incidents -- regrettably things like this to happen but I think it's important to note that in our case.
It's an aberration this person will be brought to justice with regard to al-Qaeda -- -- they do things like this on purpose.
And I think that's important moral distinction to make with regard to Afghanistan.
I think what you're seeing here -- we went there to defend the United States not to build a more prosperous pluralistic democracy in Afghanistan after ten years I think -- starting to realize.
The Afghans have to step up and do this themselves.
And they seem to be incapable of doing that because of religious tribal ethnic differences so.
We can protect our national security interest with a much smaller footprint there were likely to have some presents for awhile.
But Afghanistan regrettably -- for them is likely be a dangerous messy place for quite some time.
That's different than saying that I didn't large American presence there is necessary to protect the national security interest of the United States.
It simply is not going forward well I mean and well let's talk about that because as.
Be a big NATO meeting in May and it appears that the president stories that is gonna pull out all the -- -- by September -- say that's politically timed.
I -- are talking about getting all US troops out by the -- -- 2014 that's still fought two and a half more years is not too long.
There's no magic way to answer that -- but but it's likely likely.
567 years from now Afghanistan is likely to be a dangerous unstable place with warring ethnic and tribal differences that's the reality so.
Keeping some special forces presence -- the robust and telepresence cutting deals and making alliances with different ethnic groups and so forth to protect us.
That's really the end game here because we're not gonna change the tribal areas in Pakistan which are safe haven we're not gonna suddenly have the Afghan sitting down and singing -- -- with each other.
A much more -- almost presence is what is necessary to protect our interest and eventually we're gonna get there whether it's one to five years that's where we're gonna end up.
Data as a veteran of the of the bush White House which had strong feelings about the war on terror in defending us from the Taliban and al-Qaeda and it has your opinion changed.
My my feeling about the importance of Afghanistan and it and the original mission.
And seeing that mission through in particular for what it means for women and children there I'm still for the original mission.
However the current commander in chief.
Has a different mission and I think that our troops deserve possibly a different tactic and if that means ever going to leave early and then we have to.
Admit to ourselves that there will be consequences for that.
Later on can we do this with -- drones can we keep America safe from Afghanistan forces working together.
And I don't know and if you look at these.
The comments from Afghan generals and military on the ground they don't want us to go because they know exactly what's gonna happen they can't hold it.
Safe from the Taliban or other type of force isn't so.
When it comes our troops though if there's not a clear mission I don't know if we can continue to send.
I decide to sort of pick -- on this did you say that you support the original mission I mean are you saying that you would stay there as long as it takes to stay on it.
The General Petraeus strategy.
And the counters and counterinsurgency strategy to make sure that we are there helping build the society and the senator Bayh is absolutely right.
For the seventeen individuals that lost their lives last night at the hands of our US soldier.
Tragic doesn't Begin to describe it.
But also on that same day I guarantee.
That hundreds of Afghans were held yesterday in all sorts of different ways -- performing -- surgeries that are from air force base for women who have prolonged labor.
You get to come and get fixed go back.
And be able to have.
Their livelihoods span secured with -- husband because they were shunned anymore.
And the kind of help that we've done has been great it's not very popular.
My sentiment out with the current Republican Party but that's where -- You had one quick final -- simply was we can have our mission and we've done lord knows so much trying to help the Afghans but ultimately -- is what is their mission.
Where the Afghans capable of doing what the Afghans themselves support you got the pashtuns the Tajik the uzbeks different religious groups tribal subdivisions.
If they don't have what it takes.
To get their act together and to build a better Afghanistan and we can stay as long as we want to and this thing isn't gonna work out and so.
I think that that's what we're seeing is that god love them at the end of the day they just don't have what it and look Karzai may be well intended but he's our affiliate -- tower of strength.
There may just be no there there at the end of the -- on -- tragically for them.
If -- is -- thing to pick up on that and I remember generals coming back.
Having worked in -- Iraq and Afghanistan huge difference being that in Iraq if you're trying to rebuild an army.
That soldiers that you're working with can read usually they would at least be able to -- in Afghanistan can barely count to ten.
So what we're dealing with and a two -- two very different set of circumstances and I think we're asking too much of the Afghans.
Where's your plan why are you doing -- yourself.
And it means they are not going to be able to it's been over ten years but that's about this is generation's worth of a problem and that's why the long view.
Was what President Bush discussed for a long time that there wasn't enough support -- to keep it going that's fair -- and that's why I think if that can energy as a different vision and our troops probably shouldn't be sent.
-- we're gonna leave it there but you know what -- we'd love you to weigh in on what.
The -- forward should be for our forces our troops our commitment in Afghanistan.
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