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There is a new push to ban hunters from using lead based ammunition cancer conservationists are saying the bullied should be classified as a toxic substance.
They say animals are vulnerable to poisoning and what government regulation.
But many her doctors say this is an all right attempt to limit gun rights -- -- his senior VP and General Counsel.
For that National Shooting Sports Foundation and -- dead efficacy chair of the bird conservation network both here talk about it.
Dan let me start with you see you're saying the EPA by the way who is saying that they had no jurisdiction over this matter.
That you believe that putting the onus on the EPA is the way to go or asking should you follow the suit -- -- in states.
That have already -- -- that led to an end and you're using nontoxic votes.
Let me first respond by saying that mr.
-- and I really should be -- same side of the table.
I'd buy -- duck stamp every year I'm a member of Ducks Unlimited.
I'm a trustee emeritus of the Nature Conservancy and the Nature Conservancy.
Permits running on its way and many of its reserves.
And duck -- -- -- with PNC has done more than any one.
To preserve and -- have yet we're not against hunting.
We encourage running.
We simply are saying -- should be responsible.
In spewing -- -- this the most toxic.
Possible material into the environment doesn't accomplish that okay and having said that what would you like the EPA to do about that.
Well the EPA clearly has authority under the act if you really if you read the legislative history.
Of the law the toxic control substances law.
Which pins them regulating ammunition colleague knowledge of that but I'm reading from the committee report when the law was passed.
It says the committee does not exclude.
From regulation under the bill chemical components.
Of ammunition which could be hazardous because of the right.
And and I know OK obviously let me just everything has a right to do is it -- -- there is also saying that by excluding military law enforcement.
From the band the original petition -- from 2010 if you're talking about would have also bad military law enforcement ammunition to we're not gonna break up a lot here.
The lawsuit has been dismissed Lawrence let me let me move over to you now you would like you're trying to get the -- scared of -- 22 out -- What is it that you would like the EPA to do and why do you think EPA and congress needs to get involved well.
The EPA we'll do what it's already John which is to deny the original petition that was filed in August 20 -- -- Because congress had to -- EPA has no jurisdiction.
Under the toxic substance control act to regulate.
Firearms and ammunition products so we're confident the EPA who will be consistent in its position and deny this this serial petition.
By these anti hunting organizations.
The argument that you just heard made is precisely why we want -- legislation passed which will clarify and take away this spurious argument that somehow.
They can regulate -- components.
But not the fully assembled cartridge if you could -- the components from combat the whole Sutton the whole light up.
The bill that we're talking about which has -- 165.
Sponsors in the house and 27 in the senate has broad bipartisan support -- co chairs.
Of the congressional -- -- caucus which.
We clarify that they don't -- -- -- -- should we can't get too bogged down with all the -- legalese and it's situation here.
I'm running tight on time not gonna give mr.
day and the final word -- that you would like the American people to know as pertains to your concern.
Concerns about wildlife conservation.
Well when I think of way.
I think of of lead paint.
Flicking off of walls and didn't know that you know she doesn't let anything that vision is obviously not only that but let him -- -- -- -- last February but -- -- -- be honest moments representatives let.
Yep and that's what I'm trying to say talking about experience argument.
The United States government has big and lead in water -- to the US Fish and Wildlife Service not -- -- yet.
Water water -- -- is the hundreds -- Are are very happy they're content they made the switch in certain states have banned the use of lead and we have no problem and they're listening to regulate what's even with the -- you know your organization.
That insists that's spewing this toxin into the environment a first a ball lands and figure out -- and I'm sorry that I nice solid work wildlife -- silence on par are out of their all anyhow.
And why you and I -- -- out of my dear -- ain't done and you very much for your time.
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