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Is China part of problem or solution with North Korea?

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    How should U.S. deal with Chinese?

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A warning the north it will shoot down a rockets -- to launch next month if it enters the country's airspace.

As the president and the Chinese president announced they will coordinate their response if North Korea goes ahead.

With the planned launch the long range missile they say it's -- satellite but.

I've -- obviously there's some.

I disagreement on that the two leaders meeting in -- today at the nuclear security -- next guest says using China as a partner and this way.

Has failed before Gordon Chang is the author of the coming collapse of China Gordon what do you mean by that we can't trust China.

China has really been North -- is enable -- China provides 90% of North Korea's oil 80% of the consumer -- 45% of the food.

Much of it on concessionary terms or for free in North Korea could neither bark nor bite if it weren't for Beijing.

So what's the right thing to do here.

Well I think that we need to see China as part of the problem and not part of the solution.

You know up to now we have -- place -- much higher priority.

Integrating the Chinese into the international system.

Rather than stopping the North Korean program and we've been doing this since about 2003 since the beginning of the six party talks and this is led to one failure for American policy after another.

This is really been a problem so we just need to change our approach Davis patty do that with China how -- -- not keep repeating it.

Well I think the 2005 sanctions that the Bush Administration put on North Korea really worked.

Because North Korean diplomats had been -- cash around the world because we cut them off from the global financial system.

Well we should not only apply those to North Korea but we should apply those to Chinese banks that.

Do deal with North Korea because the Chinese banks are involved and all these transactions of missiles in particular technology from North Korea to Iran.

And to Syria.

He -- it sounds very familiar with what you're saying about -- -- mission Iran and Syria but we know that China China and Chinese banks are doing business inside Iran and some of the sanctions that were putting out there.

Are really not punishing them or the or Ronnie and consequently so.

China is -- to -- mischief here with Iran and North Korea what what are they trying to achieve here.

While in China.

It has a number of foreign policy objectives with regard to North Korea and one of them is that by North Korea creating all these problems.

We go to Beijing and say please please please use your influence and -- Beijing extracts concessions from us.

And and it really sort of diverts our attention away from dealing with North Korea.

We really have to change our posture and this is saints with regard to Iran.

We should not be permitting the Chinese to protect the north Koreans and Iranians in the Security Council at the international atomic energy agency.

And we shouldn't be allowing the Chinese to sell ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons technology to the Iranians this is a very dangerous game.

It sounds like if what you're saying is true then that that sounds incredibly dangerous and there seems to be fear whether it's real fear or perceived here.

About messing with China.

And what what the repercussions of that might be -- what's realistic for us to expect if we were tougher on China what would the effect be on the average American.

Well there would be some pain to the average American but we're talking about the national security interest of the United States.

You know China right now needs us much more than it has in the past because its economy is faltering and last year a 190 point 5% of China's overall trade surplus related to sales to the United States that's incredibly dependent on American consumers.

And it's gonna become even more so because America that -- China is having problems with -- European.

Orders so.

Really at this point we have a lot of cards that we complain we're just not doing it because we buy into this narrative that the Chinese control as well we don't.

We hold the high cards in this relationship mis read the consumer as you point out it's very interesting -- -- -- attacked you look forward to our next conversation thank you.

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