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-- liberal pundit James Carville now saying that a loss in the health care battle at the Supreme Court could actually be a good thing he believes for his party.
Here's what he said quote I think this will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Democratic Party.
You know what the Democrats are are gonna say it's not completely justified we tried.
We did some thing.
Those C -- 54 Supreme Court might majority it's gonna blame it on basically the composition of the sport is a suggestion there democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich joins me now.
Harassment some of your colleagues is -- -- here's are welcome.
-- say -- you know that it is interesting to watch this play out I would say because you listen at what some of your colleagues and senate passed.
They were very confident.
That this would have no problem let's take a listen we'll we'll chat about it.
We will we were doing when they pass this bill and it is iron -- constitutionally.
What happens in the courts is another matter.
But we believe.
That that -- in pretty good shape going into the court.
Not in Washington.
But with the millions of families -- feel for the first time the security of coverage.
The congressman Kucinich.
You know with that I guess as a backdrop and the confidence that we sideline to this -- hasn't been worked out.
What do you say now -- a look at the process.
Well you know obviously.
There is a chance that the bill could be struck down.
And if it -- struck down.
There has to be -- waiting contingency plan.
Health care needs -- fifty million Americans who don't have any coverage and to address concerns businesses.
Who can't afford.
Health care coverage for their employees to address America's manufacturing crisis which in fact has been due to -- extraordinary costs of health care so I think.
That if it is struck out you could see the path being set for a universal single Payer not for profit health care that it planned Medicare.
Brawl at a you've always been an advocate of that single -- process would do what you think about Jim cardinal's statement that -- if it does get shot down do you think in the long run.
It could be sort of can't turn to be a positive for the Democratic Party.
Only if the Democratic Party is prepared to move forward to say that they are going to.
Construct a system which would cover all Americans otherwise if we're talking about a narrow political benefit you know there's still people would be covered by this bill.
Pre existing conditions lifetime caps.
Covering dependent children if that's struck down as well we're looking at a situation that there's nothing to celebrate about.
I think politically and narrow political victory is one thing affected you yet have so many Americans whose health care needs and there are still not being met.
That's another thing and that's what we had to keep an eye on.
It's -- democratic party's going to have a legitimate position on this if the bill struck down than we must be ready with an alternative and frankly there's only one alternative left.
And that's a Medicare for all plan.
Who would -- be in favor you know I know it as I said you've been long advocating this in the pair -- what do you hope that it does get shot down the Supreme Court so that we can sort of start at ground zero again.
And rebuild something that you know would would be a better -- -- No and I'll tell you why.
Because this plan showed that it was when when president Obama's plan -- -- you know finally pass.
It showed that reform was possible within the tactics of a for profit system I was in for that initially.
I and evidently came on because I wanted to show that we could have some reform.
There's another issue here though.
And that is whether or not congress has the ability to be able to regulate insurance companies that's an underlying issues mark my words and his.
If congress is suddenly told by the Supreme Court doesn't have that ability to regulate insurance companies and it said the court resist as a mandate.
We are in a situation where -- -- -- constitutionally.
As a first among -- wolf.
It's suddenly diminished by a Supreme Court.
Which in a sense.
I takes -- are -- vs Madison case and amplifies it to look forward to having a decision that in effect will put to Supreme Court above.
Above the ability of the people's house to be able to make legislation.
-- it if that's the case you know there's one.
Line of thinking.
That this could be used during the general election as an argument for reelection for President Obama that he will want to continue to have a greater impact on the composition.
The Supreme Court do you think that provides a general election point.
Well it it would be if if it if it's seen by the White House as an opportunity.
To address the broad based needs of the American people through Medicare for all plan but if we're just talking about a tit for tat well you.
Voted against us now we want to bring you down.
That doesn't make sense I mean let's look at them there that the bigger needs of the American people here are political process has to serve the needs of the people.
And it can't it has to go beyond just politics for politics -- That when you look at the cost of -- CBO has now -- this you know almost double what it was supposed to be.
Approaching two trillion two trillion dollars over the course of ten years.
Doesn't that concern you know.
And does it make you lean -- at all and the direction of hoping that it goes down so that you can get something that at least you know might be somehow affordable.
I'm not going to join those who are hoping for this bill's demise what I will say is this.
That right now and our economy we spend at least two point seven trillion dollars a year for health they're all standing.
Of that amount one out of every three dollars goes for corporate profits stock options executive salaries advertising marketing -- of paperwork.
If you were to take the money that those are things that aren't related to out here and -- in -- out here you don't have to cover all the health care needs of the American people so inevitably.
Health care for profit becomes an issue whether or not health -- is a basic right is an issue the Supreme Court decisions not -- we still are going to have to find a way.
To make sure that everyone's covered in America.
And is it is thank you very much are always good to have -- -- as good --
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