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-- to criminalize relationships between teachers and students inappropriate.
Relationships that is.
I had the 41 year old -- -- see on your screen is former teacher James poker he allegedly began sending thousands of text messages.
To Jordan powers she's also on your screen.
When she was -- seventeen years old.
When she turned eighteen.
He left his wife and his three kids to move in with her and he claims their relationship did not give physical until she -- eighteen.
Making it a legal relationship now California is working to make that kind of relationship.
A felony regardless and the age.
But can you do that can you actually -- a relationship between consenting quote adults.
Joey Jackson is a criminal defense attorney Jason Freeman is a former prosecutor welcome -- -- both in -- a little background here right.
As anyone can imagine is outraged about this and her daughter she says I have no legal recourse if I believed this teacher.
-- is setting my daughter up for this and there's nothing I can do that first about issue right is there -- no legal recourse at this point in time.
While the answer is yes and now -- -- that's the legal Lanza heads the points and a the point is is that if that daughter is a consenting -- there's -- time.
That is this country's recognize that lesson.
I'm an adult that adult in California would be eighteen and when you're eighteen you can consent to whatever relationship you would like.
Now the larger issue was whether they were indeed being set up whether the teacher was setting up this girl.
Sit back and otherwise exploiting Harrison that he can you know -- at some later stage in her life which was when she was eighteen engage in this relationship.
But I presently have to understand that we can't legislate morality very difficult to do we can't legislate values very difficult to -- We tried to legislate morality back in prohibition we have the 21 amendment that said you know -- Drake is you won 1933.
Then there was this discussion about interracial marriages the United States Supreme Court spoke to that if -- were loving vs Virginia said marry whoever you want.
-- -- the direct question -- in terms of app obviously the mother's outrage what you can still.
The -- -- a consenting adults she decided at eighteen she wanted to be with this 41 year old he left his family and therefore.
It's completely proper it's consensual we may not like it we made.
Think that this is a value that is a born to us but you know what legally it is legal.
Jason your thoughts -- this is well the bill was rolled rolled out on Monday and here's what it says if there's any communication between the teacher in the state and that's inappropriate.
It was street the strip the teacher at pensions retirement everything.
The teacher becomes a felony -- -- in a relationship like this even with an eighteen year old do you agree with -- -- that this really doesn't pass Muster and that's a little bit of a slippery slope.
It definitely is a slippery slope but I do disagree and that I believe it's an affair purview of the -- to regulate such I'm promulgate such flaws in a 23 states.
Have this law on the books and the whole purpose here is to regulate the conduct.
Of teenagers and our young people states have that all the time with the age that somebody can go to work the age that somebody can get married.
And the whole basis and purpose of these laws is that prevent the exploitation.
Of children and young adults.
Teenagers and here you had a very unique relationship in the student teacher.
And you want to make sure that the teachers are not exploiting those of that relationship with their student.
For their own game and -- brings -- your point is well of whether or not you looked to the -- do that or you look to values to make sure that that actually isn't happening you instill certain values and people whether they're professionals and students.
Where they do not cross the line -- the question becomes for something like this law.
It is whether or not it would apply to other industries -- I.
It's teachers well back then that's the further slippery slope can I mean you know there are a lot of fiduciary relationships we call them because you have employers -- employees right.
One is in a position of power and authority over the other you have coaches you have players.
And so the reality is at the end of the day you don't want anyone exploited to be sure and if there -- -- here that are involved and certainly the law needs to get involved and Jason spoke to that issue.
And with that I would agree if their mind is certainly there needs to be reasonable regulations that Iraq you know that can protect you but when it comes one adult.
Making a decision in terms of who you want to be with and what you wanna do what your life.
I think the government has to part ways and allow people to make responsible decisions to live their life to its end I think is you know I wanna be out of 41 -- -- so be it.
And maybe that's what it thinks it's again not in the context of the of the -- -- what I really wanna preserve the sanctity of that release and I -- -- a quick final thought you know I've wrapped my mother and teacher for a long time she never text messages any of her students.
FaceBook but that's the new generation where some of the younger teachers are doing that.
If you could advise.
The teaching -- fashion.
Would you this advise against any and all communication like that even if it's seen as you being standoffish as a teacher and not connecting with your students.
And I think in the -- age I think that's excellent advice to give to teachers and you have to be aware of the way that your communications with students will be perceived.
And more importantly how they can be perceived or spine.
By outside third parties.
And you know they really really really want to engage in this relationship.
The student and you're the teacher can transfer schools there eighteen years old and they're consenting adults and that's okay when -- in the same school.
The student teacher relationship and the sanctity of that needs to be preserved I think this is -- legislation to accomplish that.
01 of the things they say they say listen the girls no longer in school she has yet to get graduate and that.
The gentlemen is no longer teaching and that town -- -- and Jason interesting conversation with -- -- have you both back classes yeah thank you Glenn one of our.
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