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    Former Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) speaks with Alan about the need for new sources of energy.

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And welcome former North Dakota senator Byron Dorgan.

You can't do that leisure time you feel like given like as like for like a jailbreak do you enough in this cynical.

A long time and I'm really happy -- -- a great -- smile and if Asia.

But it really it really is a great privilege of serving in the states -- -- -- served in congress thirty years.

But you know what I'm doing a lot of things I like to do and I'm reading books and teaching in university in -- -- boards of directors and I'm really enjoying it was your third and fourth -- -- to -- series blowout buy into it and you -- -- -- David -- -- -- -- now what -- what what does that tell me about this is -- really plays into what we're talking but on the national stage here.

And you've got a real it's a real thriller.

And this what happens with our energy and oil and and and a new -- -- -- being in the Indian people -- want to do away with the people who created.

-- my first work and -- and I've written two books about the economy but.

Look people drive up to the gas pumped today and paying four dollars a gallon or more more.

People say it's headed north of there.

There's nothing that justifies that this is unbelievable.

Un -- speculation by the speculators and is that the president can set prices and I don't two dollar and fifty cent a gallon up and so we get a couple things going on number one.

The three biggest -- -- of oil exists in Saudi Arabia Iraq and Iran those in the top three reserves.

And so we we we import too much so we're vulnerable and dependent on foreign oil for our needs enough of American money spills from the barrel overseas define terrorism.

And in addition here at -- we got the speculators driving up price so we've written and -- what is called an eco thriller it's a first of two books series.

And the proposition is this.

What if we were right on the edge in this book we -- a top secret government facility finding a -- nearly inexhaustible source of energy -- cost very very little.

Who would have to try to stop it and how who would try to destroy this top secret facility.

Destroy this process and so this book winds its way from a deep for a top secret facility to the Oval Office to Venezuela -- Cuba.

And beyond this so in -- movie comes out you'll have a lot of good scenic areas you.

It is this a metaphor for what surely is going on so that if there were a modality we could use for -- sustainable energy.

Do would be those literally we try to stuff but -- all kinds of means to do try to only usually of course they well I mean there's that -- this too much at stake.

And frankly we are at some point going to find a way to do this we've got people working on experiments right now.

To create liquid fuels from thin air yes they're doing that we've got people and part of this book is about.

Creating.

A language for bacteria that you put in a coal seam underground making their way through the course seemingly you methane in their way.

You know this is sort of the idea.

The book Black -- the talks about the impact of the highly improbable -- right that's going to be our future and energy the things that we don't even know -- -- at the moment.

Haven't so there and I mean there's all this development going on all -- -- -- -- I was working on an administration really is funding this Linda aside -- -- conservatives look to focus on sellinger.

Just one of about thirty or forty different projects of which have been almost all of -- which have been funded.

Successfully absolutely yes and you know what they're so under -- -- this and Andre didn't make it because the Chinese decided to this edited.

Too low ball and take over the the solar.

Industrial economy and an -- that's right and we are now taking trade action against a Chinese for doing that.

But the fact is the -- sends enough energy to this planet in our.

For the planet to meet meet all of its energy needs for a year we're gonna find a way one of these days to use -- I happen faster.

Well we have been cut in this is very much like incumbents in politics -- -- and in politics an incumbent is much stronger generally and and the same is -- and energy the incumbent energy producers.

They don't they're not very -- having something startup -- gonna take part of their market share so.

It's very hard for wind and solar and geothermal on the start -- To gain traction gained ground is that you that the oil companies have a large part of their assets are oil -- or is in the ground that's how they.

She says their company so if we stopped developing that.

They are of their of their value goes down tremendously -- and look we're always gonna use oil and natural gas and cool we're gonna use Fossil Energy we're gonna use it differently.

But what -- poking in your vote doesn't -- playing a role here journal yeah sure.

But that that but the important thing is we've got to stop being vulnerable to foreign governments many of -- don't like us for our oil needs.

And and second we've got to worry that a bit about the environment I mean you know the -- overwhelming scientific evidence is something this is happening to our environment so.

As we use Fossil Energy we need to put less CO2 in the air.

And it's time for us to decide that we can harness the sun in the wind in in and other forms of energy as well the.

Or denying like the denial.

Deny analysts who deny Ayers who say there's no such thing as global warming or certainly not human caused.

Are they the ones and they do in -- is simply getting big money from the from you know -- companies because otherwise why would they be put in the south there.

Does not equivalency between those who say there is in those who say there is not global.

Yeah well I mean the overwhelming consensus is something is happening here you don't have to be on the take to be ninety.

In her.

Texas a guideline -- having their Henderson nutty people that does does say.

Despite all -- -- got to believe the evidence or me you know -- -- -- So -- so well but.

Or you know you have a bunch of people on talk radio or conservative pundits -- just some will repeat.

What they think they should be saying to -- -- -- their side of the plate as saying often funded it seems by the big oil companies.

Yeah well I mean that's as a strategy -- watched a lot in recent years you develop your fiction.

And and that becomes a bases on which you then debate was -- in your book than there is in the fiction the people who put now there there won't get that into this and that the future.

Energy for America might be stranger than fiction who knows but that the book that we have written as it is truly a real eco thriller and it's.

It's a fascinating book what -- -- title named -- Well.

Blowout is scripted it essentially exploding the myths surround our energy and and and finding ways it.

Are completely disruptive in a positive way with respect to our energy future.

But mostly this is a -- we've developed -- really interesting characters.

This is a top secret facility that's under and North Dakota right in -- -- -- is actually in the deep in the badlands of North Dakota very much -- Los Alamos was in rural New Mexico -- they very created an atomic weapon and and so this is a top secret facility right on the edge of the final experiment that will unlock the mystery of how to.

Use the most abundant resource we have that is coal without using -- without producing CO2.

And it comes under attack.

By some mercenaries and funded by foreign governments and by some speculators in the US it's it's quite an interest on how -- anybody or scientifically valid.

Well I I think everything that we have and here it is scientifically possible end to work.

There's work ongoing in all of these areas that.

Is almost jaw dropping if people knew the kind of work that's going on about the neverland out there of what might be possible -- energy.

They were -- amen -- I have no idea this sort of thing is working while I guess as you pointed out earlier I mean we -- we conceive of some of the things that might be in the offing down the road -- -- what we might be able to.

Come up -- -- -- -- I met a guy recently who is funded by a venture capitalists somebody a pretty reputable venture capitalist who says.

I have designed and developed a diesel engine the gets 100 -- -- And -- him you know holy cow somebody's gonna beat a path to your -- well listen if if if if if he's true if it's right.

What does that mean if all of a sudden we're driving diesel engines and get a hundred miles per gallon -- -- that this administration the Obama administration has I think in place.

-- 2018 something like 4054 point five miles a gallon.

Couldn't they have more quickly gotten to the point where they see we're gonna have these fuel standards in place.

Is there an effort to kind of hold that back.

For either of you know -- noted he's more sure I'm -- I don't know what the purpose but.

You know I stood up who would we have -- three presidents of the three car companies the major car companies in the US manufacturers.

Before us in congress and they're they're sitting there and I stood up one -- and I said to them you know what.

You're your philosophy is yesterday forever.

And it's over.

It's done that philosophy doesn't work anymore.

You have to become much more efficient in order to compete.

Much more efficient in this new age where we have to conserve and -- what's the reaction you get when you -- that.

Well they -- like that at all but the fact is very quickly there after we passed.

New fuel standards for the first time in.

I think fifteen or seventeen years is that left right issue do you is -- the right that.

Object to the fuel standards are having better fuels and that that was not so much a right left issue many issues are these days but although it I think it.

It would become one now because I think what has happened on the Republican side is we've got so many people who say.

We don't think government ought to do anything it was certainly should never regulate anything and really when -- when they did that economically and we had a practical economical -- -- -- -- did they learn what happened toward the end of the Bush Administration -- when they said you know what to Wall Street.

Here's a Green light do what you want we won't look we promise -- -- read off a cliff I mean it seems to me -- -- -- learn from that went.

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