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Coca the -- -- the -- from Charles tomorrow and Steve.
Guys picked him up and Waterloo.
The -- -- like to.
A lot of people commenting on the interview with Jay Carney last night they got a little attention.
-- -- The administration does not does not really happening it's about senate Democrats.
Not having a budget.
And it's it's a little strange that they don't.
Well they don't and from then they are content to run against the republicans' budget and they don't of one of their own they don't think they're paying a big price for.
-- however I will say that one of the things that I've been.
Most that I find most interesting is that.
Mitt Romney has really embraced the Paul Ryan plan.
And I think he's always he was for the first Ryan budget it's not completely new he's always said he -- entitlement reform -- for raising the retirement age means testing.
Entitlements for older people but the fact that he hasn't.
I think it's -- seems to be making this a central part of this campaign.
Which is a lot older than he's supposed to be an and it's pretty interesting that -- -- chosen the debt and the deficit.
To really go out on a limb and do something that is risky I mean.
It is something they can be assailed especially as long as they're not willing to say one single tax expenditure that they're gonna cut to pay for the lower rates.
But I did but I do think -- interesting.
-- -- tension because Democrats Steve are trying to tie Romney to Ryan's budget now Romney is essentially saying.
-- man yes and so there you have this stark choice that it seems both parties are are welcome.
Yeah I think that's true and and I mean Romney's support for the Ryan plan has been gradual remember when -- at first introduced his budget a year ago Romney gave sort of a milk toast.
You know I admire his courage this is great that he's doing miss you we have some differences and I'll be putting out my own plan.
This time around he gave a much stronger early embrace of the budget and he and you know he had put out previously in a speech here in Washington back I think it was in December 2 Americans for prosperity a few -- group.
Some additional details about his -- about the specifics of his Medicare.
Reform proposal I think he deserves a lot of credit about it it's a Mitt Romney as a candidate has done more.
In in what is supposed to be you know an untouchable.
About providing details for entitlement reform the Barack Obama has done in three years of his presidency.
Let's see there's a couple comments here about Cole says using Paul Ryan will be the Republican VP them.
Look at me apparently they had early on some -- doesn't -- I think he will be on.
But shortlist I talked to -- about this about we -- have to go and Romney of course -- you know.
I haven't even thought about various different yes thank you meanwhile his campaign is saying this whole nomination -- -- he's the nominee but -- -- don't know I can't possibly think about this right now.
But you know.
Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio would be on anyone's long list.
He did say.
To me that he would not be picking a pro choice candidate which I thought was interesting so rules out.
People who are likely to be had been vice president of the running anyway but doesn't love brain scan of all who had Christie is -- -- pro life he's given speeches that pro life dinners after he had originally been.
Define himself as pro choice he has come out and said he's pro life with exception.
I think that the Republican vice presidential bench is so deep.
And has so many -- rising stars and it I mean it's an embarrassment of riches for for the nominee now.
Many of them will overshadow him in excitement and -- as and I don't know from -- thinks that's a good thing or bad thing.
But Marco Rubio Paul Ryan these are these are basically rock stars for the Republican base.
I guess the that would be Charles if you're going to embrace budgets why not embrace them.
The maker of the budget.
Well but I think the other part of it is rubio is a guy who can deliver Florida presumably did well there when he ran.
And of course he's Hispanic and that's where Republicans have some weaknesses.
So I think he fits -- the electoral bill.
I think there's got to be a way to brain.
Paul Ryan into the campaign because he's so -- so -- defender of the budget I mean he's the one who knows it inside and out.
And I suspect he'll be the one out there put out there and all the shows when it comes to defending the Romney budget but I was also impressed by how today.
In this speech in the newspaper publishers.
Romney embraced the Ryan budget he's not running away from and it -- And the dynamic of the race is really completely.
Unusual and outside that the president isn't running on his record because it's not -- good month.
He's not running on a vision because he's hiding the ball behind Somalis.
Who -- in the eyes of on domestic he doesn't have a budget.
-- -- as anybody and he talks about entitlement reform in the abstract he's never done a thing so is the incumbent who's running against the plan of the other side.
You would expect that the other guys would run against in the incoming and -- him but it's completely reversed and I think it is a -- it's -- risky move.
I think it's a bad by Republicans on the seriousness of the electorate.
And there was a lot of series is shown in 2010.
When there was Republican sweep people of a concern about the debt.
When Obama was dismissing it and here there's a -- that even with all the demagoguery that -- the Democrats are gonna -- Being serious about the -- and showing leadership and and Romney saying I'm leading I'm taking.
Who is I'm outlining a way to get out of our -- or at least two to handle them on.
-- a struggle when Obama is doing nothing.
I think that might work and he needs to show leadership and he's got to show strength.
In some way and that would be a way to do it even though on the substance -- -- like Medicare it's risky.
Stephen Venice Beach says Paul Ryan reminds me of Jack camp.
Richer in Houston says Allen west for VP.
-- in California says rubio would be good you know Marco Rubio today said an event he will not be vice president definitively.
No they all say that presenting I won't be -- verses I won't do it if asked I and I will -- So you never semifinal -- this morning and that's all I'm not gonna be the vice president will just pointed out you know everybody says -- actually worked for dragged it was a Jack Kemp acolytes so there's a reason he.
Thanks -- like rubio will wake up one day.
And -- with us -- know with a horse's head in his -- And after that he was serious flight and I should take Paul Ryan has actually and it's sort of interestingly I think because you know he's a Wisconsin guys he's.
From -- -- western values I think he's basically incapable of -- we saw that through his time.
When he was going to run for president is it just Wisconsin this -- that is who we are rather you know let's have to our currency except for the people who are campaigning and -- -- and but Ryan you won't remember when Neil Cavuto interviewed him back when -- thinking about running for president and his staff was telling people know he's not thinking about it and then Ryan surprised everybody including his own staff by saying well let's see how the field develops because he has to answer questions honestly.
So he had he got this question I think first from Chris Wallace.
And he said why had -- of course -- had have to consider if they came to me right so I asked him about that last Friday and said you know what does that mean does that mean you want ice is now on you don't do well enough to know that I don't wanna I'm not pushing fortified wanted to.
I would run but if they tell me to think about it I'm -- think about it and I hate people who pretend.
That they wouldn't think about it and that's what he said -- said that I thought it was such an interesting twist on the the question -- I think you've got -- and you cheese.
10 -- -- -- play who speak another look the truth and speaking of Wisconsin's John from buffalo wants.
Steve's take on the recall vote on hold June 5.
Well I think it's interesting Tom Merritt Milwaukee mayor got in the race.
Before he was what won reelection as Milwaukee mayor yesterday.
The end I think it's it sets -- an interest in primary among Democrats because you have Kathleen Falk who was the choice of the unions and had taken his pledge to.
Try to undo all of Scott Walker's reforms having taken the pledge -- units and you are you are our candidate.
And Tom -- now comes in with much greater name -- particularly in Milwaukee which will matter a lot.
But without the explicit support from unions so you could actually see a pretty fierce battle among Democrats that could take both time and resources.
Away from their attacking Scott Walker.
One thing that is very interesting to look at in terms of how Democrats are.
Setting up their campaign against Scott Walker.
The one thing they're not spending much time talking about.
The budget reforms because they've war they were indisputably the numbers.
The numbers on the numbers Milwaukee County save 36 million dollars on health insurance because of the changes.
The state has saved hundreds of millions of dollars because of these health insurance tweaks.
And walker has taken the state from a three point six billion dollar deficit and in two years without raising taxes.
Balance the budget now there was and it's about calculating error he's got -- a deficit remained -- 150.
Million dollars down from three point six billion so Democrats are talking about it the parking -- this.
Scandal -- on -- all the employees to talk about voter ID they're talking about basically anything.
But the thing that actually led to the recall but -- this thought June 5 is really.
Much broader than Wisconsin I don't know it's this.
States all around the nation where where this battle is on bill.
Well if he's the first governor who took on the public sector unions to be put to this kind of a test.
And it you know -- they did get a million signatures on those petitions which was pretty extraordinary I think that might have been worked more votes than had been that more votes than he got.
In the first place it was a very high number.
And if he is -- called I think that that would be a huge huge blow against these you know reform governors it came -- And yes some of the move pretty fast -- the budget reforms are one thing but from.
The -- sector unions bargaining rights that's what really caused us.
Reaction to people thought that had just gone too far right and Ohio governor John Casey -- kind of -- he also had a fast check after his his own vote although Indiana Mitch Daniels who did something very similar.
The public sector unions are practically -- away.
Because if they have no power why should people pages.
And he was ever do -- by executive order tags -- -- -- -- so he didn't have all the craziness in the state house but I think -- understand that this is Armageddon for them.
If they lose again because as the third.
Campaign have they had a race for Supreme Court justice where it was obvious -- the Democrat was gonna rule.
The reform unconstitutional and the Democrats lost than it was a race to recall enough senators so the Democrats would take control.
Of the senate and they didn't succeed mayor Daley recalled two and -- three and that and they fail there -- so now this is the third shot.
This doesn't succeed I think this will tell other governors you can do this and the unions are going to be really in a panic.
Which is why money so -- this morning -- you know there's one place that is really.
Benefiting from all this and that's television stations -- or just inundated in Wisconsin fact that during the primary lot of people were saying.
That they were seeing more ads about the -- recall than there were that -- -- -- -- -- Yes there are more about the recall and they did about the president -- primary.
What's amazing is all the -- are actually true.
It's at Wisconsin you can if you would ever have before and after the tape it was in the other interesting thing and we and we didn't get it just talk about this much last night.
Looking back at the Wisconsin primary.
One of the things that Mitt Romney did and he did very early was wrapped himself around Scott Walker every one of his robo calls.
I think with one exception of one Romney recorded in his own voice to get five or six robo calls that went to Wisconsin households as I say.
We're getting multiple calls a day.
Where Romney had one or another person you know this is TM.
I'm shocked to learn that Rick Santorum is supporting being do you labor union bosses and isn't this horrible and that's why I've been moved to call you today and support -- -- Those calls were widespread they were everywhere and I think they had an affect -- But yet he only won by five points -- -- for all the money that he put into Wisconsin.
I mean I know the organization that.
Matter but that's the -- pattern looking run by one point after midnight in Ohio so -- going -- was double did you yes he was eleven.
That is the underlying persistent weakness in the Romney candidacy he doesn't win but he wins ugly anyone's very extensively.
And there he never guess he he he is building momentum in a grudging kind of slogging painful way but it's never the kind of momentum that just builds naturally and organically begins to make you look like a winner -- -- in North Carolina says why is everyone saying.
That this should deal.
Because the party's been damaged really badly.
Romney is going to be the nominee it's almost a mathematically impossible for anybody else.
And we see his numbers among independents have gone to his negatives among independents which he has to win -- in the election of Ghana.
I think everybody agrees in the -- conservatives -- never show up as -- and remembered.
Because Alabama's going to be anyone who's been energized them.
But the longer it goes on the longer it drains money energy and time away from the real campaign and we see it we -- in the numbers Obama's numbers.
Have rebounded since around September when things began -- pretty negative and I think everybody wants Obama to go which is.
Republicans in general and a lot of independence would want to see Romney now not have to spend his resources time and energy on the primary campaign.
So the question is does Santorum -- out before consummate.
-- just put up a poll I you know there's psychology of dropping out of a racist sides.
As long as your generation and this is -- where you are expertly position to tell us -- speaking from my long training.
Which psychotic in Iraq except you know I mean it's just a human nature you're a senator -- if you talk in the minority candidates.
You wherever you go there -- cameras they're people -- crowd is adulation there's applaud the minute you say.
And now we're joined from the campaign he can't get it can't it's over nobody knows your name is.
And it's it's like a light switch and it's just a huge psychologically it's -- coming -- pumpkin after being Cinderella -- -- especially when you work.
As starters Santorum who came out of nowhere and didn't have any money and went to every county in Iowa it's very hard to do.
On the other hand if he's rational I think he would drop out but who knows which of the two impulses will prevail.
You know we -- also speaking of the deep and wonderful.
Bench for vice presidential candidates.
That's another thing he has to think about all these guys are lined up to run again so if he thinks.
You know a lot of times some -- came in second and did as well as he did what it would say hey I'm gonna try next time.
But he might not have a next time because there's so many people lined up to go.
But look he can be in the cabinet -- yes and again such as he can run -- -- -- -- an -- took offense if you want to get more I think because it'll depend on stuff to leave him where there.
Republicans -- -- this year have been allowed on that but I mean his stature is high and I think you will be diminished.
Kind of HHS.
Yes -- that's all the more reason they can't drop -- for Pennsylvania.
If he's -- he's -- -- you say yes you can't.
I don't know how rationally as I would I'm not reviewing he has to run in his home state especially if he wants to run again for senator governor or something there's something there's no upside if he wins.
I don't know anything like a -- that it infiniband heavyweights.
It's -- -- these two days and currently has two knives and a Jack Kennedy had -- today out its interest again the day off tomorrow I mean yes halo isn't broken -- -- off.
These guys understanding counties -- -- -- spent time with his -- I think -- their -- conversations yeah I think he's more likely to stay -- -- -- to go but that I mean -- is identified the questions is do you -- -- at the point where you have friends and potentially a spouse or his adult children who come to him and say.
Dad you know kind of enough is enough this is that your your unlikely that you're you're virtually.
It's virtually conceivable that you're going to be the nominee and you don't gain anything but when you say.
After losing them to Casey in 2006.
I think 818 points.
And then to lose again after saying it had to be a must win.
That would be that might be tough -- on the flip side you have people inside the party who are saying hey -- you have.
X number of children.
And there's a great I think positioning down here.
Yeah I think people have been saying that all along I think he hasn't been listening.
I think he's been getting those kinds of phone calls and -- you know when when people write the campaign books next fall and winter that go back and look at this time period.
I believe we will have heard about many more of those kinds of overtures to Santorum both positive and negative both saying look you're screwing this up and saying.
You know wouldn't do he wanted to be considered for cabinet position wouldn't you be oh wonderful surrogate for Mitt Romney -- those kinds of things.
Tim from Dayton Kentucky says if he wins Pennsylvania he -- leave with his head held high after -- thing is is that if he wins Pennsylvania you know he's -- taxes.
Yeah okay -- go to taxes -- But that's still okay he -- Texas and then what and then Mitt Romney at some point in June gets 11144 delegates.
-- Just keep on track and then now and then I think he can be he can Dow up -- set I set I would stay and to see if I can prevent him from getting this I think I didn't outstanding unify and helped them take what the big questions is it going to be good soldier -- gonna stay as a renegade.
Right or CNN.
Yeah because he's still talking negatively about it right on the stump and he's running to Canada and in Wisconsin was were harsh was very harsh and very tough in the -- -- and then the only thing you said last night was.
Memorable -- My principles are forged in steel in his state.
His -- I -- -- he said he didn't say he is and not in Etch A Sketch.
Yeah that's pretty obvious when you as always he's still going pretty heavily in Gaza says we need to catch a nominee.
Who favors liberty.
I've I didn't know money can't use that against obamacare and -- easier and that's okay medical let's turn the topic -- a race in no more pictures of dog puke on TV.
It was just it was tough we have -- -- the pictures for masters tickets the guy -- for masters tickets they're like the gold.
And the dog eats them and then he forces the dogs -- would you have done the same thing of course.
Shaking my dog I know that's what I -- airline because our -- -- -- I was editing.
-- these things together a great part about it is that a guest has said.
Well on -- index which you know thank you for this lovely pile of it could be.
Included in -- and the picture was implemented and -- to put the dog on the roof drive around a lot.
You don't see him.
About the practical solution or an -- from these are guys using godaddy to do -- Okay let let me let's do around on not -- the Supreme Court deal what what is happening.
With this White House or is it.
Not admitting that the president misspoke on Monday -- on that terrorists.
I think in a final decision to go to war against -- and I -- you mean whether -- about this record no not yet about choosing to come out and say what he said.
Com which clearly they are walking back from on day three walking back.
Lucky that he'd painted with too.
He could have said with what they said he man twitches.
It's been -- very rare are unprecedented that they overturn.
A commerce clause case that has to do with national economic activity -- -- that would be depressed isolated but it I -- have said a lot of things in my final exam that I didn't -- And I wasn't in the Rose Garden it would -- -- to world leaders.
But why they're walking in the back are they worried about.
The political implications I'm not sure and if -- -- they had a strategy were gonna go to war and religion front corner.
But then they spent two days well they've been trying to lead attorney hammered on -- and and trying to exploit any other strategy and the idea.
Is if he goes against him using any campaigning in some corner not.
Is that still the plan was -- divisional play that was.
Not I can tell you that -- I -- weeks ago.
I would go in and say well what is -- he seemed to have a couple options you can go to war against the court if they -- against you.
Or you can have a plan B ready to go send up to congress some some alternative to the mandate.
And they -- originally I was told by by them and many many democratic strategist bad idea to go to war against the court.
As partisan as many people think this court is.
There's still tremendous respect for the court it's the final arbiter there wasn't rioting in the streets after bush vs -- in other words people are gonna -- -- that was the first thing that and that's what I assumed and then.
After those hearings they change their mind.
That ended their thinking.
Is that they have no choice because.
-- if the court rules that.
This is unconstitutional.
Well then the constitutional law professor was wrong either -- -- wrong they're wrong he can't say at that point yes to -- Iran I.
Guess what was so stork was that he is a constitutional.
Law professor lecturer whatever you wanna call home depending on where you where you look back in his history.
And talks about that a lot and then when he said we said in the Rose Garden.
And then put the -- obvious caveats on -- the next day.
And then the White House continues to put caveats on -- the following day it seems like.
-- didn't get the talking point right or B didn't know what don't I think it was.
Had to be -- that you say that he didn't get to talk to women get but he didn't he didn't give enough qualifiers he he just was just week.
The problem in my view was was both one opponent one of substance and it was the way that he source -- we attacked the core preemptively.
Not when there's not even been a decision yet and then also the fact that he made two errors -- basic fact.
Both the question of whether it was unprecedented and extraordinary which it is not in the question of whether.
You know the strong majority -- that.
Charitable like you we can find that out we know what happened you don't mean how can you possibly make that our nuclear the president of the united -- -- here's a really.
You know that the politics folks who.
Think about strategy said that the Obama campaign the Obama White House likes to frame things here is Romney.
Probably clinching the nomination this week and they are framing this coming up with look over here to shiny thing.
We're gonna push back on the Supreme Court we're gonna push back on.
Republican budget and this is gonna take a lot of oxygen and around -- room.
That it seems like it's too much and.
It's too short term thinking because they they are gonna have a decision in June and they and have to make -- -- strategic decision one way or the other two -- to abide by assuming.
Assuming that the court overturns it.
And I don't understand if -- -- had decided that I'm gonna go to war with the court if it comes against me overturns obamacare and sort of initiates a year in two months of my presidency where I did almost nothing else.
If I decided I'm gonna do that why am I sort of semi apologizing for two days.
I would just reiterate the message and that's why I think it's.
It's it doesn't make a lot of sense so we in all the caveats here is the commerce clause but only since -- there -- -- list.
Basically what he's saying is it's an unelected group that -- overturning the will of the people.
He's gonna -- he's running against congress already one of the branch has been running against the second Supreme Court he basically saying I came.
To Washington and I promised I you know reform things that I can't these institutions are stacked against me the conservatives.
Who wanted to throw children in the snow and all that stuff.
Who's running -- branches.
But I think they've got to get guys got to attack himself next I mean at all until I think that's exactly what they're doing the problem was just one time you do that after the decision you don't do it now because now.
Nobody really knows what's going to happen as you know most people think it's a 5050 chance think -- -- or not.
And now he looks just petty partisan and you have to be able to make those attacks in such a way that.
That you can be presidential mean you can criticize the court and say I'd strongly disagree with this decision weights and isn't that that.
History here that most presence and I'm going to wait until the -- I'm going to wait I remember sitting in the White House briefing room with President Bush.
I specifically remember.
You know asking numerous questions to Tony Snow and others when we had pending cases and they were all saying let's wait until the case one case came out they -- and then said.
XYZ we don't agree we agree.
You know I -- that's what I thought they were gonna do is leave it to columnists like TJ Dioner you know leave it to the -- kind of Blogosphere leave it to the grant liberal grassroots to make the case in advance.
That you have 26 Republican governors and five Republican appointed justices.
And and and -- -- that we but that the president would wait.
But he decided to weigh in himself which I think.
Change -- -- changes everything you buy any of this that they had some kind of advance.
Notice from from the courthouse things -- -- we don't know how they voted on Friday Friday.
-- revived but I think you could have a I'd like it to cushion shot effect I'd been saying when they were in the oral argument said Roberts is the one.
Who thinks about the court is historic and legacy terms and his legitimacy.
And perhaps even if on the merits he thought the -- the V overturned.
He might be reluctant to do it on something as wide sweeping important is there's so in the name of the legitimacy of the court and not to -- to reignite.
Charges exactly of the kind Obama level that you that you had with the -- case and Citizens United he might particularly.
If -- Kennedy.
Goes with the administration and -- end up being 63.
Roberts would be like you to make it a majority in America I'm a wide majority.
But I think after having -- these attacks it would stiffen the spine.
And say I have to protect the integrity of the court in another way which is and I guess I don't -- -- intimidation.
The president so I think it actually will have a reverse effect if there are any -- version on the conservative side.
Well I'm not to mention the fact -- that the president's argument yesterday when he's trying to clean this -- we talked about this yesterday shell.
Directly the argument that if any Kennedy made about the individual mandate of the Kennedy said because it's so fundamentally changes the relationship.
Of the individual to -- to his or her government.
That the burden is on.
Those who would make that change to demonstrate that its constitutional the president after -- presumably having heard that -- -- briefed on it.
Said precisely the opposite the burden is in fact on those who would overturn the law I think it's just silly to kind of pick a fight even if he dated vertically with a guy who could be deciding the case.
Well you know I'm also surprised me all along that -- the right has been out there are building the intellectual argument that the mandate is unconstitutional for years.
Now of course they once thought it was it was -- that's another story entirely they've been kind of toiling in the fields developing this argument.
-- I don't know why the administration never bothered to -- should explain the mandate -- always only wanted to talk about the goodies that things that they knew people would like.
Why don't call it the anti free writer tax and use the same language that they Qaeda people and -- that parents -- -- -- the beginning.
We don't want to pay for decades you know we don't think it's fair and -- do I know what I'm saying why didn't they they could've kind of developed this whole argument.
I'm talking kind of talking points triangular -- and we strangulation anyway.
And and also of course it would have been completely constitutional and they just called an attack.
X which he was adamant that it -- -- I think two reasons number one is just simple arrogance.
You know maybe expanding the government for sixty years -- -- -- gonna get away with it but second that's not exactly why they're doing the mandate.
If the mandate is only so the young who don't have insurance and -- not freeloading.
Then you would allow the to buy catastrophic insurance.
The minimum insurance.
But they are it's illegal to life cannot even at the twelve days like Finley -- -- but don't give them the penalty now this is not been determined.
Can be anything you want it's now.
I always said it's a certain part percentage of their income and starts at 95 dollars and it goes up to the death.
-- there's -- about the penalty sends an effect insurance think it's too low that's what they've they've grumbled about in the bill.
If you really were saying that you want the young to -- -- Then you would allow them to be catastrophic effect and it's metal.
That the young have to pay what the elderly -- in premiums when you are nearly as much easier way faith and betrays a fact of what they want is for young to subsidize every.
Well that's an insurance isn't helping people so and I think that's not an argument that that.
He's now have an argument themselves and that they kind of felt they kind of constructive and hard -- himself -- -- -- -- -- -- frankly I mean look at.
Public -- now I -- different language -- made this more popular.
One more speech yet one more health care -- agent called and attacks.
Every rider attacked not just attacks that they should have said what is happening nice it's hard for me to it to believe that that -- this would be more popular now if they -- called this -- tax.
Well they wouldn't have been court Wimbledon courts no but it would it would have been blessed plot -- -- -- that they're happy doing it for.
You've been yet wouldn't the past and it will be keeping it -- -- It was my foot the -- if it was the anti free -- -- maybe even some Republicans.
Went one more speech but it.
I don't want my speech I'm -- a different way of conceiving of -- and okay -- can census on here that Steve should be Romney's Press Secretary.
A lot of people weighed in on that yeah that are we winning distance I would think that the Romney campaign -- -- -- -- -- -- probably -- not be perfect but they said you have to Wear slacks and not -- And be proud was she in fact this problem and -- wearing jeans all -- that's surely.
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