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George Zimmerman charged in Tayvon Martin shooting
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- Date Apr 11, 2012
George Zimmerman charged in Tayvon Martin shooting
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In a number of different questions underneath here the one up there will George -- be convicted of second degree murder no is leading and are you glad Santorum dropped out of the race.
Those are two questions -- -- now we'll bring in our panel was everybody just -- always say hello to Fox News chief Washington correspondent James Rosen.
And here's some powers of course and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer.
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Shooting and need charges of George Zimmermann second degree murder.
Announced by Angela Corey.
A special prosecutor it was a kind of surreal moment and clearly -- and she felt the camera spotlight.
And told us all about how she came to.
Her decision but the second degree murder and with -- stand your.
Ground law in Florida it's -- it's uninteresting case in that it is already been tried in the media.
Yeah why and she was critical of that saying they shouldn't be tried in the media should be tried in the court of -- that you -- have to ask the question how -- not been tried in the media.
Would they even be filing any charges against.
Mister Zimmermann so I think that when somebody is armed and -- an unarmed person.
It's it's affecting the way to handle it has been very questionable I think I do also think that the way the media has behaved in a lot of ways has been pretty you know.
Pretty bad but at this this the same time I think it's probably led to this.
Making these charges and so in the end is probably and that good.
-- there's no way to talk about this case without always returning to the central core fact which is a dead young man and his grieving family.
That said sometimes cases like this become fraught with extra dimensions this is one of them it's reminiscent to me -- Crown Heights in New York being -- new Yorker who's there at that time.
Let's also pause at 1 central fact of life here.
Which has nothing to do with whether we condone what happened on that evening.
And nothing to do with the with the way that this prosecution will unfold.
And the central fact is that -- that woman's life is ruined forever.
No matter what happens even if he's acquitted on all charges.
Will he ever be able to work again will he ever be safe in a similar kind of neighborhood situation.
This is not to to express undue sympathy for a man charged with second degree murder.
It's simply a fact of life and it's sort of one of these bonfire of the -- moments where everyone's ruined.
There mend insists he acted in self defense he says he was jumped by this guy -- on -- you know no one.
Except those two men the teenager and and the 28 year old.
Know exactly what happened there were some witnesses apparently and and we listen to -- -- 11 calls but really they're the only ones who know exactly what happened.
And -- ended and yet it seems like.
Everyone says they know what happened.
Everybody has an opinion and no one has the facts except for those two men and that's what makes it such a travesty and it's been such.
-- -- -- -- at a terrible time for the country I think this.
Charging of him whatever the charges these precisely the right thing to do.
It's -- just a thing to do and it will yield.
Justice and information and we don't know what happened.
They will be a process with the witnesses who have now spoken privately to the press.
We'll be in open court.
Going to be cross examined so we're gonna have a lot of evidence from -- have a lot of knowledge and make a judgment but it'll be interesting here.
Is that the case is complicated by this weird -- in Florida which I think.
At least on the face -- it is rather.
That eight essentially empowers individuals who don't have the training -- don't have the experience.
Who don't have any.
Any time in -- -- -- enforcement to enforce the law will weapon.
Sort of on their on recognizance that's not a good idea in general.
But it will be something -- -- shield spurs Zimmerman and arguing self defense because that law doesn't exist in many other states.
But this is the way it ought to be in the country now wanna sit back and do what do we do rather well in this country.
Try a case have the evidence and then have a jury come to a judgment.
Mikey Kentucky agrees he says enough of the trip on case let's wait to let the justice system work and then talk of the results.
We will it was breaking news day in which.
The charges came down we want to touch on it -- -- -- OK 2012.
Mitt Romney's campaign is saying this is the start of the general election campaign.
How many people agree with that obviously Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul do not.
James what about this dynamic can now that -- out of the race how this shapes up leading into the convention.
It's two points to make we saw in Carl Cameron's terrific piece on the show tonight.
That one of the very first things the Mitt Romney did on this first new -- daunting day of the of the general election season.
Was too aggressively court women voters.
And to try to eat into the advantage that President Obama has over Mitt Romney in that category this is not a surprise just I think a week ago.
Openly spoke about how we have a lot of work to do to convince.
Women that Republicans are are not hostile to them.
And done he cited the diversions that Democrats and the and the White House have -- have have had made in respect to the contraception issue.
Abortion issue and so forth so he's he he recognizes and has for some time that this is a problem for him independents will obviously be another one.
One other thing to say is that there's a lot of talk in New York Times and elsewhere today about.
The the question of how well Mitt Romney will do going forward in attracting social conservatives who were otherwise is poised to support Rick Santorum.
And one factor there that bears repeating.
Is that fully 13 of Christian evangelical voters.
What already supporting -- throughout the primary process his task in that regard may not be as steep as has been portrayed.
-- that exit polls at the end started showing Romney with.
Majority and I was evangelicals.
Cures and what are the challenges I mean obviously the Romney campaign.
Is holding these events targeting women and they look at the polls they see the damage done by that whole.
Contraception that a fourth which was really religious at liberty issue in his in -- sense but it didn't fit on a bumper sticker and people didn't.
Follow what's not just the contraception issue it's been an and -- it think this is more closely followed sort of in the liberal world that have been a lot of laws around the country that had been pushed by conservatives related to abortion in terms of having a have a sonogram before you have an abortion things that a lot of women find very invasive so.
The Democrats have really been playing that up Obama hasn't but behind the scenes it's really been.
I'm fueling fueling things you have -- there are there's a big part of the country that are pro life -- and -- who.
But most in the -- that so.
-- regarding voting Republican and most independent women are moderates so they're gonna be more more offended by this kind of stuff and I think that.
-- that most -- -- vote democratic.
But that but what's happening is you're getting much larger margins now for Obama than he normally would get to -- twenty points which is not normally what he really getting an among women and I think a lot of that frankly is because of -- Santorum so.
I think -- for Romney to try to get a little distance between him Rick Santorum is probably gonna help him a little bit jobs.
-- think -- is exactly right Romney.
Is getting the negative blow back from things he had nothing.
To do with.
For example what's happening in Virginia where there -- wanted to do these and invasive some programs.
It wasn't about Romney -- involved in that at all but can.
We using that and what's happening -- on the states this was the Republican war on women and Santorum is the one.
Who talk about his opposition took to contraception.
In general and in principle where as you remember in that debate when George Stephanopoulos as Romney.
What would you do about a lot of them -- -- contraception Romney.
Looked at Stephanopoulos had as as as if he'd been released from an insane aside.
-- why would I consider such a low it's not a -- nobody's interest men etc.
So he got the blow back from santorum's opposition.
So I think it's sort of an anti Republican mean -- and I think Romney can justly mobile try to justly.
Did disassociate himself from other Republican.
By the Republican.
Positions are -- and near to he has entered to reclaim the mainstream on those issues and will be.
I think it can be done and certainly I'm just in the sense that he was in the one to -- Two to promote these other.
These other issues but it's not easy to undo impressions in the impression is it's up and Republican.
Sentiment and he has to he has to divorce himself from that.
Unless it's a James Rosen impression -- we try to undo those quickly to be disassociated from.
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Where you are talking about Charles.
Other great moments in history.
How about to commit an indignity would check and and and so the brazen this service is rather -- -- invites the press.
Put putting in the liquid fuel.
It is let them of the previous allowances -- would do and she -- because.
It didn't have a good track record of success is so it didn't particularly want to be seen.
Was a failure so I mentioned having and a guarantee of success of this time.
But this is spitting in the face of an agreement that they signed less than I would say six weeks ago with the United States.
To desist from these kinds of launches.
And from a uranium enrichment program -- -- just shows them the contempt with which they hold.
Us and the rest of the -- when it comes.
To anything -- -- anything of consequence we say.
They say they gonna do X we give them food oil and Iran and they don't do X -- wait a few few months even a year to.
And it's Lucy and the football all over again.
And I would since dependents essentially.
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Our job that I -- -- ever heard.
I just think the real question is -- of the Japanese shoot down and that would make an exciting.
-- I don't accommodate -- The entire.
Set of events surrounding North Korea.
Just underscores how baron.
The foreign policy community in this country is in terms of coming up with a way to.
Deal with North Korea effectively because we're seeing the same behavior under the sun as we saw under Kim Jong-Il.
And -- -- from the Bush Administration.
And it's carrots and sticks to the Obama administration.
There's a continuity in the in the same Lucy and the football dynamic -- -- describing.
And so one I think this is a great Ph.D.
for someone to do out there dissertation.
Which is if you look at the Obama administration on foreign policy.
Israeli Palestinian you're still dealing with the quartet who met here in Washington today right.
He -- you're still dealing with the right and North Korea -- you're still trying to revive the six party talks and you're talking about shouldn't shipping them food and heavy fuel oil and so forth.
And you keep getting burned.
The architecture for all of these problems that was built by the Bush Administration is still in place under Barack Obama and about as effective.
-- which brings us to Jess wants us to talk about VP picks and -- and one name that had actually gets to -- -- here's here's the -- -- one of the names that actually is coming up on the short list.
According to Romney advisors.
Is Condoleezza Rice.
And as you talk about the similarities between the Obama administration bush administration on issues like North Korea.
Condoleezza Rice in some circles is you know.
Obviously very Smart woman very versed in in foreign policy don't know how she would be is a campaign -- Don't know how she would.
How they'll do the right wing of the party the social conservatives and the Tea Party folks separate groups but the Tea Party folks would react to Kelly's arrest but she is being talked about.
I -- -- be extremely.
For them to go that route -- -- upside issue is incredibly high approval ratings.
Which I don't completely understand.
But -- but she is.
I think has a lot of personal favorability I think people see her as being competent and Smart -- but I don't really understand the strategy behind it it's not.
You know obviously Marco Rubio I think would be a much better pick.
-- she was.
I thank you wouldn't -- As a follow up to the previous segment and one of the people who short -- Kim Jong in new.
You know young dynamic and we're -- because it made -- -- Wouldn't overshadow the candidate I thought it doesn't say much doesn't seem had a -- -- cuts one is about -- as far as also though is.
Because she's not a politician it makes her -- much an even greater risks when you bring somebody who doesn't know how to campaign who doesn't.
President who hasn't been -- the trial and error houses that will not -- -- but also just the basic.
That sort of that you know general Clark phenomenon you know what people think he's so great and -- he starts running and it's just a disaster I.
And I really I think the big liability is that she represents bush.
And people will then that the wreckage of the Bush Administration.
Will end up being a part of this campaign.
And Democrat and -- have to wait at least another four years before.
The stigma and the negative.
Feelings about the Bush Administration I think recede.
And they'll be some appreciation of its accomplishments but it's too early.
And I think she might be a -- in the future although I know personally she doesn't want to has no desire to and would probably turn it down.
But nonetheless if there ever going to be a future for electoral politics and shouldn't be now.
The same Jeb Bush got the wrong last name at least for now -- he didn't 126.
She is being considered the other.
From well placed sources.
In -- analysts.
Marco Rubio leading the pack Mitch Daniels governor of Indiana.
Paul Ryan Wisconsin.
Congressman obviously house budget chairman.
Rob Portman from Ohio Susanna Martinez New Mexico governor Brian -- -- all the governor of Nevada.
I mention Condi Rice and Chris Christie.
And those -- the -- that.
The list if you listened to those eight.
Where what strikes.
Positives and -- use.
Again you have to bear in mind I think the numbers show that in very few instances.
Do you voters cast their ballot on the basis of who the vice presidential nominee is so it's a fun parlor game for Washington this weekend is that the nominee makes a short attention on -- Dotson was a lot of symbolic value -- and they hope we'll have a look -- value in a given state.
And but by and large I think studies show that it is not -- preoccupation of the voter when they casting ballots and and it also I think recently -- -- some study to effect that.
I'm very seldom does the vice presidential nominee.
From a given state.
Help veep nominee himself.
Carry that state do you like playing parlor games.
What is the deal that this is a little game I was laying.
Yeah this is what they think this conflict but don't -- still didn't immediately.
This is clear I think you can play the -- I eight.
People yes I think what out of that out of that list I would say Mitch Daniels Chris Christie and Marco Rubio are only.
Three the only ones I think would add any value.
I I don't think it's true that most people don't.
And vote based on the person in the same time you do have to ask you wants first to be president if something happened I don't think that's a minor thing I mean I think people are gonna consider.
Susanna Martinez and just does not have enough experience to -- on the issues and immigration in their rising star but I think that.
I don't know that that would what makes it -- Chris Christie is somebody I think what you know people to look at and say you could see him being president.
You now and down you know whether you like it or not to see him being president and I had to stone -- and the same thing with its channels up.
Around mcdaniels figured it would have the largest charisma deficit -- In the history of electoral -- substance.
Known to be very uncertain I would love that.
Take it -- -- isn't isn't the Republican Party seeming to.
To look like it's it's starting to make its case on substance saying we were the party that's going to.
Tackle the big issues that -- -- embrace the Ryan budget is going to tackle entitlement reform and the president is going to talk about.
The Buffett rule -- nauseam and try to divide -- isn't that how the -- party is shaping up.
That is true but I think Romney is gonna have to carry that -- alone.
Vice presidential slot I think is there to repair shouldn't be -- in their candidate.
And I think rubio would be the most attractive.
Because he brings he youth energy.
You know modicum of charisma.
He's obviously Hispanic and he's got a great American story but what about the idea that and Florida and Florida it doesn't pay for him to accept.
Even if you how fast don't you think -- rubio said earlier argument that right I can't help but I think they've been bigger argument may be his bat.
And his tied to David Rivera I mean the congressmen it was under investigation tonight I think there may be some that you don't want -- I don't know this but there may be thinking that they they don't want to waste any time dealing with any of past questions of.
Final question Democrats actually want him to be the pick for precisely that reason because they feel he wasn't vetted during his race because there was so much focused.
On Kendrick -- can.
Com Charlie Crist and so they feel like there's all this stuff that's gonna come out if he becomes the nominee well.
He's -- If Romney asked them.
He who rubio will find a horse's head in his -- And he will say yes there will be no certainly you don't say no to a presidential candidate.
Any year this is important is now when you're rising star there's no downside again assuming he's claim.
He runs and you know you know to get loses we penalize a lot of presidential.
Careers launched by running a good race in the past -- 68.
-- -- they -- they lost in their own presidential -- But it's a way to become a national to become a figure in the party and I don't think he returned to -- he could turn it.
We haven't mentioned Paul Ryan yeah I mean you did in your list but we haven't addressed that yet and I think he's clearly have a feel a lot of chemistry was Romney and when he was on the -- in Wisconsin big swing state.
I think -- he gives you somebody if you're Mitt Romney to point to and say here's a guy ask him every time he's asked about the Ryan plan.
So just have to be not conversant on it.
And its intricacies.
Young family hunter right and and an attractive in personable so I think so I think he might have.
The most of any of the people that you mentioned because like Chris Christie.
You said you people can see him as president other states not if you're pro life.
He now he now he is I mean he's had.
His in his career he's had over an evolution much like the number one on that ticket would would explain I think.
But -- Brian Sandoval on the other hand in Nevada is is pro choice and and Romney would be.
I'm going back on something that he signed in Iowa saying he would not have anybody in his cabinet and was not from a.
I think if you go as a Ryan then you're going all in on you or suggested.
Approach we're all AM on substance we're all in on debt and deficits -- -- you know -- the real issue really take risks.
But in -- propose entitlement reform and -- -- world we are not gonna flinch I was gonna address the American electorate as.
There -- gonna -- Daniels as well but that's State of the Union Address response was arguably the best.
Republican response to the president in a long time I I yeah I mean anything.
I mean that the what are they hits him Bobby jingle and and no I.
I agree but there's something about there's -- dynamism.
In Ryan and there's also you know the reluctance to Daniel has had is rooted in.
Sentiment he has about user friendly and he said when he declined to run for the presidency.
He actually sort of I have to choose between my country of my family I changed my family.
When -- you've made a statement like that why would you run for the vice presidency I could see him.
-- legitimately and honestly saying no I think Ryan would feel the obligation.
To make this you know he sees it as a really crucial.
Moment American history that if we don't change of course we're headed for an iceberg.
And I think he would do they need bring that kind of using dynamism that Romney doesn't matter I think to be a good combination James what do you think -- do you think Brit Hume went with.
Shameless you are shameless is -- -- books that I -- is that I don't show the book we've joked about it again but nobody again John Mitchell.
A strong man what is it yet this -- strongman.
I'll read it yeah here you are apparently well apparently you I'm glad I got -- I -- none of the cut back.
Okay Tom Brady you know who he picked I think it's something that certainly.
-- -- -- have his say on the that's something that's I mean who managed -- -- in due course of time in which to to ponder.
Button that -- I think a lot of the candidates are attractive and and bring a lot of movement penalties that we all like to bring -- I was angry brittle but that was not -- without the coffee -- offensive I didn't you know there's Britain and there's places where there's there shouldn't be places.
Yeah guys that.
That's elusive panel that -- -- that we are going to wrap up this edition.
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