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And welcome back to a spirited debate.
-- over 600 people have been killed and religious attacks in Iraq since the beginning of the year.
And the -- while in neighboring Syria is likely to stoke further violence in the region while -- official says it's too early to tell if diplomacy has failed.
You're weigh in on what the future holds and at least -- James -- -- to rector of the Douglas and Sarah Allison center for foreign policy studies at The Heritage Foundation.
And Wally Ferris Middle East expert and author of of the common.
Revolution struggle for freedom and welcome to you both thank you do it did.
And what we don't want to start with you because the situation in Iraq is this.
And isolated like this is an Iraqi situation or they're getting sort of the Airways and -- breathing the air of what's around them in Syria and Iran and other places.
Milosevic is not just a regional all phenomenon meeting -- -- about minorities or religious ethnic minorities in.
Iraq and Syria Iran and the wrong.
-- fifteen years it was in Lebanon and also go down to sit down.
And up to Egypt where the cops are being persecuted not to take it to North Africa where the -- isn't -- can be used and others because across the region.
But what is important it's also across time this is not just something that.
Began yesterday -- over the past few years it has been there for many centuries.
But over the past few years -- rise of the more extremist jihadist -- office and others who -- this movement is what's causing this stuff.
Density of persecution.
-- and and James of do you agree with what went down.
Follow -- -- is saying here.
I I I do private enormous respect for its work its its excellent I also think it's reflective.
In some ways of kind of a middle -- great power struggle between a Sunni -- policy from the Arabs in Saudi Arabia.
And -- she has so I think we have the odd situation here.
For example we have an Iraqi Government which even though they're not.
Necessarily part of -- on and there there are still very antagonistic they would rather see a radical.
Pro Iranian government.
In -- in Syria.
Rather than a moderate Sunni government in Syria -- war.
See in Syria.
A base for al-Qaeda or or some kind of -- based insurgency against the -- So what I do think period this some of this is a reflection of kind of -- the Sunni.
-- -- competition and I think in Iraq.
We would continue to see sectarian violence -- -- Sunni and Shiite.
Even if there wasn't a Syria and here is -- right just I really fault the administration.
And were really think we walked away for a -- too soon.
Absent kind of the US influence to really say.
To really get it kind of pushed people beyond that I think people like -- here kind of lapsing back into.
-- I didn't ever want the Sunnis never want about the stride again I want this to be you and I wrote a she'll run state and I kind of equated to his.
What -- happen if we kind of walked away from Western Europe after world war two -- left Konrad Adenauer zone.
You would we have seen the kind of familiar ration of the long term conflicts in western of that we saw and I think not so I think kind of -- at -- -- too.
You know -- in the numbers we're talking about is actually since the first of the year didn't.
Did the US walk away from Iraq a little too soon what would have been the -- -- -- alternatives.
Let's just walking -- so it's not just about -- it's what you do before you walk outs basically we have not empowered.
The collection of coalition of moderate who did not put them together to face the more islamists of caught at a solid and on the one hand.
Or of the pro Iranian -- what has happened basically in Iraq if that outside Kurdistan in the north which is doing pretty much well so far.
The south and the center are under the control.
The politicians look -- Iran and inside those areas you have Islamist -- close to Iran and the Sunni Triangle.
Because it wasn't left.
Without the aid coordination with its politicians to face off -- the Iran has.
Now this -- -- this mean the more extreme.
You know -- in the Sunni are on the rise angry -- chance that at the end of the day.
The region as a whole not just Iraq is divided now until camps since you know the last three to four years one camp is.
-- being controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood Egypt Libya Tunisia.
Gaza and others.
And they persecute everybody else and the other -- from Lebanon Hezbollah Syria Iran and Iraq is controlled somewhat by the Iranians and they persecute everybody.
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