The Hit List: Secret Service scandal a security risk
Panel discusses the ramifications
- Duration 12:16
- Date Apr 18, 2012
Panel discusses the ramifications
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From the hit list -- join us as you can see right -- good to have you built -- radio dials it up what do you make it did this whole question.
Can we be the policeman of the world do we have.
A moral obligation do we have.
The moral standing to always go in and help in these situations we'll try to -- these situations and -- that we leave well alone in certain.
Instances Ronnie what -- such crossing a threshold of kind of moral decision I believe -- as a nation we're very moral.
The nation we like to do more things like to help people out but as Bob well said is that.
You know sometimes you just can go so far is that.
You know without launching some type of -- you know in the -- -- intrusion into a sovereign state which has his own issues.
Without kind of a coalition of other governments getting together and doing something really unit and meaningful way -- CUN or other coalitions put it put together on the side.
It's difficult to carry that out.
So I think we need to use -- looking for other ways you can support those people who are being affected by this and with this humanitarian aid or through some other.
Organizations that may be able to get in and help these people were being disenfranchising attacked.
I think that's a way to go so I think yes we are moral we'd like to stand up we'd like to look for -- that immoral -- we can't be the world's police we can't be.
Every place every time.
And I think it's someplace our role needs to be and further back.
He kind of either encouraging others or providing additional support through some of the means that we can do directly.
-- west weighs in with an interesting point here she says every time we -- to ourselves and ignore the rest of the world something bad happens.
A half against -- -- a boat gets some good -- building.
Gets no doubt let's bring in another remember that it was Tom Ruskin former NYPD -- joining us via Skype from some undisclosed location I don't know -- Actually I'm not frightened -- -- off this black and I hit some -- He's had a good point when we when we tend to if we tend to pull ourselves into ourselves.
-- -- become.
Less aware of the potential threats against us.
I don't think we ever become a little less aware of the threats against us but to -- believe I think that we have to look towards the end game here.
What happens we don't even know who would take over the government if we were able to assist them in overthrowing it.
So I think that that's a very important point.
All right they'll let's get to the other issue we wanted to talk about these guys which is the advertisements have time that you went all out of the background is Skype earlier sat in the back chuck Knox is stunning because like that it wasn't easy -- as good -- Yeah.
Something he's very good -- -- -- the bill that the Secret Service issues it.
Huge story obviously -- Bob was saying earlier the problem here is.
The potential for blackmail it's almost anything that might happen right there and then but down the line would you agree it's OS is a big security.
-- -- Johnson I think that this is a big.
Not just of a kind of a black guy do all of us from the IC's perspective takes away from the importance with the president was doing because that's the story.
So the story with -- president's doing in the conversation is having with world leaders it's what happened here at the Secret Service agents.
And I do believe that.
Coming from a intelligence background -- -- and counterintelligence.
They tell you is that these kinds of activities can easily used by other intelligence agencies chemical hostile intelligence agencies they're out there.
They still wanna know what we're doing to me wanna know what the president's gender is -- -- wanna know perhaps how the operations Secret Service conducted.
And if they can then leverage.
These -- -- if it didn't come out to become such a public event but they're able to say listen we can keep it quiet we we don't have to let this go public.
If if you just gonna provide us a little tidbit it doesn't have to be direct threat to the person but to some other.
Piece of information they can -- together and of people out there whether it's the Cubans who was have been as well as other people really interested in what the -- activities are.
And share that with other intelligence agencies around the world don't forget treat people like you know Venezuela have connections to -- and and -- so that it opens up a whole cacophony of other issues so security.
Those things they used by intelligence operatives is right here in front of us is what over the years intelligence agents -- then look for people with kind of like a weak point and use that to their.
I'll -- -- if these allegations are proven to be true then there is no way any single one of those agents can stay in the Secret Service is that.
No beauty you'd have to terminate them but as someone who during my police career protected -- president.
In the intelligence division in new York city police -- -- What happened good night.
Endangered the mission in in danger and you know the person that they were paid to protect.
The information probably relative to the -- The secondary routes and other intelligence that is gained it is knows the shooters.
Who were compromised.
And you're shooting positions.
To catch -- -- blow it would definitely in the room I mean -- probably those intelligence folders which are classified.
We're in the -- decorum when they brought the girls back.
The fact of the matter is there you go to.
You have to give your credentials the intelligence.
-- it's -- able to do the investigation.
We'll be able to come up with those girls -- -- to -- them don't know everything that happened.
An investigation now this is is something very important bit.
Tom just touched on and that is that it never calls before congress for hearings and they just think it requires a deep look I mean I know number of people -- Secret Service and sixers -- -- a fantastic and it -- predicted president.
The -- all kinds of financial crimes credit card crimes cyber crimes and they do fantastic job.
However if I'm one of those people I know many of those who deserves agents -- would like to kind of clear the deck and make sure.
That if -- people like this to taking away from the credibility agencies and found out.
And I think -- calls to have an investigation is not dead ones I mean I think we FBI has seen it.
It helps actually strengthen the character of the organization he is so people standing up before congress kind of like Claude Rains from -- like -- -- You know gambling gambling in this casino -- -- I didn't know what was going on ball.
All -- you make the point earlier that to as this as CEO of the company would step in with a bang heads to get a fire everybody very quickly.
But -- the CEO of this organization you know what's the director of the Secret Service.
Should he take responsibility and self and go and go quickly.
That's what I think we have to find out a little bit more about I mean if you.
He you know what would normally happen is that that guy would fire the immediate bosses of these were relevant people maybe there's some sort of a branch -- international coverage -- Covers this thing takes some sort of clear action.
One thing with these kinds of people though they know stuff you don't want to you know you've you've got to be a little careful exactly how you have -- exit.
The situation and exactly what circumstances you have to exit the situation.
But -- saying before was that you need in both cases some sort of very visible bold action decisive action.
To show to demonstrate that you're not willing to take this and that no one in the agency should be willing to take it.
This -- just said.
Everybody else in the agency's gonna agree with that -- they don't want their reputations tarnished in this -- out there.
-- it was pointing -- that 99%.
Agents within the Secret Service.
All great people great Americans.
What should the direct to take some responsibility.
Of course it always close to the I mean -- to Bob's point they have already taken.
Corrective action they suspended the supervisors were responsible for these guys as what was it it's critical look further.
I mean you should go to didn't directly yet we don't know what happened here and it's it's something has happened before.
If other agents are doing this which I don't think that there's evidence any evidence to believe those winds are.
-- they -- right to the director and it may ultimately be held responsible.
Don't the director yeah idea I think you know.
And I say that anyone is is should be immune from this but if he had you know knowledge or he would he knew that there was kind of -- institutional cultural behavior.
Going on like this and didn't do something that was to come out and certainly I think you know you know he shouldn't be -- must step down but right now director Sullivan.
-- -- suggest that he knew of anything like that wasn't you know complicit didn't encourage that.
There's nothing to suggest that I do think that people for the -- and in this branches -- they break up an investigative and protection branches I think it will flow up to those people who had.
More responsibility -- in those units of these people with the advanced team will part of the preparation for the president's travel have responsibility for and I think.
That's where probably the increased local rule will be focused on -- -- congress.
Tom what do you think will be there reaction all other Secret Service agents to those colleagues who were involved in this.
Well -- season.
Still justices themselves -- -- listen to Secret Service is made up as we said but 99%.
Of people who are dedicated and willing to give their life.
For the person that they are protected as well as the military that is assigned to Secret Service so these type of missions so I think this.
You -- they wore the investigation to take place they want those people responsible to be terminated were punished for what they did.
If they -- out there and big names to be clear.
All right let's move on to GSA yet what I what I would you handle this long bill did.
Should that be criminal prosecutions handy thing.
Well I mean figure some things.
I don't know enough yet about the particulars have heard some you know through some -- stories leaving here on on Fox News about some people may not even been employees of the government.
Who were involved in some of these activities some wild life or or some -- who who was there at the time may be even encouraging some of the the preparations and -- expenditures I think -- -- looking at those things that could possibly be some type of criminal no misconduct.
I think in the rest of it just sounds like to me.
For everything we -- just very very poor.
I mean just embarrassing for a judgment collapse adjustment with -- money I mean these people -- -- a Secret Service -- -- forget.
There are employees were paying their we're paying their salaries yet they have media wasn't the agencies but you -- -- -- we're -- paying for their.
For their salaries and we should be the ones taking -- front -- what goes on and I think some of this has the earmarks to the sounds of it because he's a criminal territory.
-- you that you working government as a prosecutor with the Department of Justice for us some time do you think it is a case for actual criminal action here is or is it just in case -- firing of that happens again.
Well it's built that we just don't know enough for me that's a weighty decision that's not quite as -- is we have a moral obligation to save of the.
The just got about six not at.
I'd hate to make a judgment like got -- without knowing the facts are really would but I'd I'd.
Again it's we got it we gotta have more aggressive.
Responses out of the government to prove them -- -- it would -- and take this kind of thing or what do you think you're -- you just back up his.
-- -- -- -- -- It's really hard to run large organizations have been the CEOs and fairly large companies and won one million the size of the federal government he.
Its management is horror show -- really hard and the government has gotten so enormous oil and frankly weak you know.
I think one of the things that I I've always hated is the way that.
People say government is the problem and it diminishes the quality of the people that are coming into the civil service the minute we beat down the quality of the people who were into civil service overtook him.
Have a lot more disciplined -- you're gonna have a lot more bad judgments made.
So there's no real management issue and again I think it is a theme that comes now from topic to culturally whether it's which currency strategists -- would -- the organization in -- -- -- as.
I don't know what about -- -- -- could the would entitlement apply here even a little you've -- maybe.
Will also like January -- -- is -- have any idea how hot it is firing public servant which is another good point.
But we got to wrap it up that Tom Ruskin.
From his undisclosed locations beautifully set the legacy of song is the capital city all -- built a former FBI office.
And the invisible Mike Baker of course -- he's always right next year thank you very much -- registered -- ball sticker.