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Joining us right now talk about this but game over which you guys really through this thing together but I mean there's some serious interviews and the congratulations on this.
-- when she is joining us he's the co author and Bob divorce -- also joining us today.
And there's so many questions for you first bought it.
You know this happened not that long ago you had to you know -- information from a lot of witnesses.
Where did -- where did you get the access to these people were they willing to come forward.
It's one of the things in 44 years of being a journalist that's the Stonewall -- -- up in this instant yes incredible.
-- -- doors slammed in our faces phones hung up.
Letters not return but there's a persistence that needed to be.
That done in order to tell the story from from start to finish so we were able to really find some inside sources.
To put the story together from start Middleton and.
Why did these inside sources come out to you guys in knowing what they did.
As all of this scandal was unfolding it was happening and all these crimes are being perpetrated -- We figured once they figured out that we were gonna.
Connect the dots of this whole scandal because there's been a ton of media coverage will -- man there's been some great reporting on it.
There's also some shoddy reporting but the bottom line was that we.
But connecting the dots and starts to show how this could've possibly.
Well let's let's I mean I don't you want people to read your books who want and we don't get too much away but how could this have happened maybe this is it's happy valley it's Penn State.
More people were -- -- a -- of that group think situation where everybody just kind of things love this guy's not -- anything he's he's my boss like a fashion saints.
-- things people take away from game over how isolated Penn -- is.
Geographically it who graphically it's -- valley in the middle of states in the middle of nowhere.
But in happy valley was its own culture where things are kept inside it was very insular isolated and in in the way they thought and this is a cautionary tale for any college administrator out there.
That when you set up that kind of environment you're almost inviting something -- happened because threats don't always come from the outside some threats come from within.
Who do you think was complicit in an end and making these -- -- the suggestion and you say any saying you're -- Iraq the whole you know image of happy valley.
And you know your career is over.
It's on two sides there there are several people who or complicit of that Olson and eating these people -- What a -- on your Schultz who was -- Basically the police chief -- under charges for -- record perjury and in 1998.
A mother came forward.
Submitting your -- -- his arrest for showering naked with her eleven year old -- -- And it went through fairly extensive vetting there was -- 95 -- police report and with almost no.
Examination of it -- drop the case and later jury or mr.
Schultz testified in.
Grand jury that he just thought it was -- send -- -- quote horsing around with the young kid a shot.
Thousand the only investigation there was another one that's the thing that blows -- went there was yet another investigation.
Yes that's the one in 2002 with the with the witness Mike mccreery you know this -- and -- To Joseph Paterno.
Mike McCurry reported it to Joseph Paterno and you ask yourself well that the building were on fire -- recalled Joseph or would you call.
The fire department meeting called police he went to that.
Big man on a very very big campus Joseph Paterno and it after Joseph was informed it took nine days for the athletic director and Gary Schultz actually talked to Mike -- -- about exactly what -- saw.
-- speaking of Joseph Paterno obviously he he's.
One of the biggest headlines in this whole disaster.
And the man is the man is dead now he was an icon he really isn't and it was -- legendary although tarnished and a lot of folks finds.
What what you are we getting from him what happened.
Well I think it's fair to say that no college football coaches ever been more exalted than Joseph Paterno and for good reason.
We know -- accomplished on the football field and his graduation rates were what his players went on to do but no coach has fallen so far so fast it's.
Tragedy -- Shakespearean proportions to go from the Lion King to king Lear and such a short amount of time.
-- legacy though you always remember the wins.
And the program and his service to the university his contributions to the library and yet there's that one instance that lapse of judgment.
The sin of omission yeah and his own words that -- with us still from the grave.
In the with the benefit of hindsight I wish I would have done more.
You know -- -- that that just calls me and a lot of people is -- -- -- action as he writes a book.
And the information in this book ends up coming back to essentially buy it and then and -- you know what explain a little bit about about the.
The that's listed please go put on the case one a young -- reported.
-- and just in from outside the insular community of parents there's some for the first time.
-- police officer who wasn't hooked up with parents there's sort of investigative thing.
Joseph lighters and and then he ended up.
Getting -- hold -- -- -- his book touch.
Then by using hit.
And there -- a title.
I put her only -- for first -- kids in there were also pictures of some kids in one chapter about the second while foundation.
Leiter was some great brilliant gumshoe -- -- was able to find people who.
Told him the story that started the ball -- in this case that culminated with short.
Sony -- with how insulated it wasn't how protected event.
And just sort of you know don't let the outsiders and don't -- the insiders you know didn't -- -- cracks in the system.
But how isolated it was what's let what's the ramifications for you got a little where are you receiving serve threats and I would think that it's -- situation like -- -- if that that it went on so long I -- that people aren't out there.
-- there's so much real angry with you.
But there's so much raw emotion involved -- that and I would understand the passion that goes behind believing in Joseph Paterno now.
I went to Penn State for two years so it was painful for me to write.
But Penn State taught me lessons such as.
Henry David to -- that citizens and a -- democracy -- responsibility.
To speak out if they think something's wrong -- they remain silent they're complicit in the crime.
And -- -- gave me the skills to be a writer -- it's.
So it's a you have to separate your emotions from this.
And I I would think that we probably kicked off.
Investigators we kicked off the Penn State community but investigators who -- investigating -- -- community heroes.
But you know keeping.
-- all that's part that's our job.
Bill and I -- No idea it doubled.
Come to fruition in any kind of charges would what our book talks about various.
Explicit things there in 2002.
Despite Michael queries unbelievable.
Report you know -- and try to find -- -- yeah.
Elizabeth but to -- on -- guys.
Got to get it I mean it really is it really bless him.
Blows the lid right off this story that -- even now we hear the police we hear reports on television we still don't hear the whole story this.
-- a great but congratulations on us.
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