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All right guys we've been telling you all here on FOX & Friends the National Security Agency better -- as the NSA.
Is in the process of building a massive two billion dollar data center over new tough.
Some -- the senators just on the government building but to others it appears the data -- is actually a spice generate to intrude.
On US citizen so what should we believe James Stanford is here.
-- of the shadow factory.
And the ultra secret an -- From 9/11 to the eavesdropping America and Stephanie -- is here is an adjunct professor at the Manhattan institute and a former constitutional lawyer.
But the Senate Judiciary Committee welcome to both -- James have a problem with us.
Well I have a problem with the secrecy -- involved and I don't really have a problem that essay written three books on her mom book they have -- thing for me and I say.
But I have a problem with is building a data center -- a million square feet that we don't really know what's going -- it and this is.
An agency -- just spent years illegally spying on Americans do you think it it would do we're doing things in violation of the constitution seven.
And I don't think they were doing things in violation of the constitution.
In this conflict it's very important to gather intelligence but we have to strike the right balance between keeping our.
Securities safe and keeping our privacy rights and the the ability of this -- that cutting edge technology that allows them potentially.
To go away and look into the every American's home does that bother you.
Under the finds a law the five to law was -- protects US citizens requires a warrant.
To target US citizens and it's really.
Based on trying to get.
Foreign terrorists overseas you.
And I think that as long as the government as complying with five we don't really have to worry about James certain mileage is there any evidence the government is not complying with fives.
But one of the Playboy interview was -- -- he was one of the senior officials that NSA does a person actually design the entire.
Eavesdropping operation around the world including.
Automating that whole system and he left because he didn't like the way the NSA was eavesdropping on American citizens.
And he he told me right near -- -- -- that were this close from my turn -- took solitary and society he's a guy who designed this system.
And he was there from a.
Forty years and guess what happens though if five there's another attack like 9/11 in this budget terrorist complying with each other conspire with each other to.
Kill Americans that we had the potential to eavesdrop and penetrate.
And we didn't do that because we're concerned about the constitution where is the blame go.
Right well exactly and that's why it's trying to strike the right balance and we have to realize that we have not had another -- since September 11 and this is an amazing accomplishment.
Because our intelligence agents -- really done a terrific job at protecting us they're out there every day trying to protect our national security and protect our safety.
Does he -- does it concern you at all that potentially could use you could sell some of the data from the get -- every -- Americans.
To learn about from the whether -- for consumer pro if something were to get background on somebody if they're spying on Americans in order to keep Americans safe without body.
If they were doing without a warrant that would clearly violate the constitution if they're doing it with a warrant that is in compliance with the constitution and James is the -- what was -- -- right.
-- -- can something -- next 78.
Really work now.
Well certainly can -- it now it does -- now they still have the fights along what they do is just do the amendments on it.
The problem with it was the Bush Administration bypass the -- the line.
Violated the -- a law.
And that's why they had a grant immunity to the Telecom companies that.
Cooperated they won't grant immunity if they didn't do anything wrong.
Listen it's debate into the -- -- have to continue to have is gonna everything's going to be inside their James Stanford author of the shadow factory and Stephanie yes -- Thanks so much and.
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