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Vector and use Utah senator Orrin hatch survives a battle but the war is far from over after coming up just 1% -- voters.
Votes needed for a direct the nom nomination senator hatch now faces a primary challenge in his bid for a seventh term.
And -- Tea Party group of freedom works insists it will unseat senator hatch senator hatch firing back at freedom works here on our show last week.
I could probably live -- -- -- tell the truth that they they take a few dozen of my votes out of them better than 121000 votes -- I've cast.
One of the most in the history of the senate.
And they distort those votes they lie about them contract lie about them.
Strong words into our passion tonight the other side freedom works president and CEO -- can -- joins -- nice to see a certain French government -- let's -- first the issue of votes what coach Gary you and senator -- -- Arguing over.
I that you there's a lot of votes but I think the one that frustrated me the most was not a vote but it was his partnership with Ted Kennedy to create.
The new health care entitlement called which is now called SCHIP.
That was Hillary Clinton strategy.
After the failure of Clinton care to.
Bad government run health care population by population from the bottom up from the top down.
I mean estimate that that was about fifteen years ago -- I didn't.
Okay and has won voters as a -- -- -- about that 121000 votes right and a UV light can be like governor Romney Brian.
I think he's better than Barack Obama okay and governor Romney has endorsed senator -- didn't.
I'm your board is -- C.
Boyden Gray right and right.
He has endorsed senator hatch just.
-- also an -- Steve Forbes does and he has -- and senator had just the so I -- some a little bit curious how you isolate this particular vote and you could tell me another one and suddenly -- MM with all the seniority -- senator -- I'm thinking -- -- Why would you want to push him out -- If if the senate is taken by the Republicans why would a group from Washington DC united from Utah -- a push out a veteran US senator.
Pull a couple of reasons first of all understand that our power as it as an organization comes from the activists that we partner whereas.
And it was the activists can you talk they came to us and said.
Would you help us unseat senator hatch because they were partners when we replace senator Bennett with the Tea Party rock star Mike -- Finally I want to let me just liability -- I went to their website it's court under construction it seems like it's been disbanded and revealed.
-- website and of the local freedom works state city partner with the new top.
I tried to look on the website today told us not freedom works that's the pro -- group it's called -- house how -- some.
I'm as famous because I would because it was a -- that I got linked to your website I don't think Warren hatch is -- internationally if you.
But what so peculiar though it is said you know your organization is an is an outside of you talk.
You've spent 700000 dollars trying to unseat senator hatch.
And you spend zero opposing Democrats and you spend a 173.
Against president bought it looks like to -- from the outside that you have something -- on.
The senator hatch because you've got.
Governor Romney endorsed him you've got to you like congressman chase that's right -- he's a surrogate for governor Romney.
So those to -- thinking about running against Orrin hatch.
Right and it's highly critical of his record as of fiscal conservative but he support but he's a surrogate and a heavy endorser governor Romney who -- Done an -- in endorses.
Does senator hatch said like goes full circle there's something funny -- that.
-- -- let's talk about the money or how do you rate is five point seven million dollars to solicit some 2000 votes in the convention.
About 89% of that came from out of the state of you -- See you're talking about are you guys are -- states are you are 700000.
And his five point seven million I don't think -- suggests that that freedom works is foreign journalists outside money.
We are focused now on disappointing certain Republicans that have grown the size of government.
We're gonna move to Democrats because our goal is not just take the -- for Republicans but actually have a fiscally conservative side and we can't do that.
Let me -- -- that the because that's guess and that I stand because.
Key image infrared if you look at his record -- fiscal conservative and I -- -- -- elect they're now I don't care if your guy wins or not but if you look at his right senator Orrin hatch into introduced a -- a balanced budget navigating back in 1977 which is another cornerstone of the Tea Party movement.
Which freedom works is it is essentially Tea Party will would you agree that yes okay so he's and he's the first one out they're doing that he's done a year after year after year after year and -- -- question.
I know you're critical -- because he voted to raise the debt ceiling a number of times.
You're a leader of -- freedom works.
Congressman former congressman Dick army he himself raised at nine time -- congressman clean the last years in congress they were all we all raising the debt.
Still a lot sort of looks like about one thing it -- have the balance budget amendment and 1997 Orrin hatch is pretty generous when he did severance so eco Houston -- -- -- budget -- amendment his entire career.
It's important understand that in 1997 when he authored his first.
Balanced budget amendment he decided semi -- -- dot.
-- Sammy -- introduced the first one.
He didn't introduce it in 77 introduce it in 97 he cosponsored.
Drama -- -- -- sort of secure yes.
-- to look it up up and Paul Simon the progressive Democrat from Illinois.
-- a balanced budget amendment because he wanted to grow the size of government and how did -- do it because he didn't.
-- -- anything more than a simple majority to raise taxes Paul Simon ran to the left of Jesse Jackson and 1988.
When Warren -- introduced its first BBA.
-- -- -- -- Doesn't that doesn't that is not a fiscal conservative because my view is we should balance the budget by limiting the size of government you could certainly raise taxes to -- -- going to do that.
Tom look at the entitlement programs warns that this you're constantly trying to pass a -- budget amendment for constantly growing.
The size ago -- -- the one they didn't like which you mentioned.
Well not thought one I would say we know any particular imagine I mean I published 32 pages and it's our website freedom works for America dot com.
Anybody can go on there and look at our documentation and Tom we've gotten our facts right and -- and the idea.
Citizens friends and I -- also -- everywhere we know.
I don't but I actually I actually looked at a lot of the research even your criticism -- the education -- from and I -- that but you you -- -- and trying to do this another time because there's a lot whereby we disagree on and I don't care if he's elected or not but anyway.
Once again okay well there again thank you for.
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